I just public-service-announcemented about there being no actual bugs at the space, and I forgot to mention about sniffer dogs! �I'm down for sniffer dogs if it helps everyone's mind stay at rest. �<div><br></div><div>
Also NO SMOKE OR FOG BOMBS, they do not work, the space is too big and not sealed enough for it to be remotely effective, and people prepare food there. �</div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Danny O'Brien <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danny@spesh.com">danny@spesh.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Geoff Horne <<a href="mailto:horne@slc.com.au">horne@slc.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
> For all of those of you who are over-engineering the Bed Bug solution. I<br>
> offer the following Advice :<br>
><br>
> 0) If you've never had bedbugs, you don't know how to get rid of them.<br>
> Trust me on this. I've had bedbugs and 90% of theory doesn't work.<br>
><br>
> Getting rid of Bed bugs is just like doing a security audit to get rid of a<br>
> trojan stuck somewhere in the system. BE METHODICAL AND MISS NOTHING.<br>
><br>
> 1) GET A SNIFFER DOG!! (<a href="http://www.scent-tek.com/" target="_blank">http://www.scent-tek.com/</a>). For the ~$250 it will<br>
> cost to survey NB, they will find and confirm any source. (They work, and<br>
> I've used them to save me a lot of time and pain)<br>
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Aestetix mailed me his sekr1t report and I'll say that while he's<br>
positive they are around, I'd say that for me the evidence is<br>
indicative but not conclusive. That said, I bet all the other<br>
hackerspaces think we have the lurgy now, and if we do we should do<br>
something about it, and if we don't have them, we should find a way to<br>
get a special "nil bedbugs" sign to wave at everyone. This quantum<br>
eigenbedbug state is troublesome.)<br>
<br>
I called the sniffer dog guys and they quoted me $235-$350 (They<br>
weren't sure: I gave them rough footage and the groundplans and they<br>
said 'well that's certainly a unique space'. I �agreed with their<br>
assessment).<br>
<br>
They can be around within 24 hours usually.<br>
<br>
As is traditional, I'm going to set up a pledge for getting them in<br>
and collapsing the eizenbugs. Add your pledges on the wiki. �As soon<br>
as we hit close to the total soon, I'll bring them over for tea.<br>
<a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Bedbugs#Pledge" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Bedbugs#Pledge</a><br>
<br>
(As is also traditional, I'm also putting up using Noisebridge funds<br>
for this at this weeks meeting, to be consensed next week.)<br>
<br>
Aestetix I forgot to ask them whether smoke bombs will stymie the<br>
dogs. I'll ask. If they do, would you wait off on the bombs until we<br>
get them in? If we have bedbugs they'll be able to identify where we<br>
should concentrate your bombs. (And also we will probably need a more<br>
detailed plan of action if they do find them).<br>
<br>
Scent dog trivia<br>
============<br>
<br>
People seem to think scent dogs are good at locating ze bugs. See<br>
<a href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Bedbugs#Detection" target="_blank">https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Bedbugs#Detection</a><br>
<br>
Mr Hoity-Toity New York Times, a place where bedbugs are now have<br>
majorities in the state legislature, is a fashionably sceptical about<br>
the efficacy of sniffer dogs - but these seems to be more about the<br>
economic incentives than the dogs themselves (ie "yes our dogs say you<br>
have bedbugs now pay $1000 for our extended bedbug cure service").<br>
<br>
Our local Yelp *really* likes Scent Tek, and lots of the reviews are<br>
from people who called in the dogs, and the dogs found nothing, which<br>
seems to indicate that they are pretty honest. Also, the dogs<br>
themselves blog on the site, which won me over.<br>
<a href="http://www.yelp.com/biz/scent-tek-san-francisco-2" target="_blank">http://www.yelp.com/biz/scent-tek-san-francisco-2</a><br>
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> If the dogs declare the place free of bugs you can relax and don't have to<br>
> panic.<br>
><br>
> 2) Traps, foggers etc aren't the solution. The chemicals don't kill the<br>
> eggs, and the traps don't catch them. You need something better.<br>
><br>
> 3) heating to 120 degrees only works if you heat EVERYTHING to 120 degrees.<br>
> You would have to turn NB into a giant sauna to get this option to work.<br>
> there are companies that can do it but the power bill alone would be very<br>
> expensive.<br>
><br>
> 4) An exterminator CANNOT FIX a place like NB. They will walk in and say<br>
> � the following (after they stop laughing) :<br>
> � �"Yes, you probably have bedbugs"<br>
> � �"No, I can't guarantee to get rid of them 100%"<br>
> � �"Yes, you will have to throw out most of this crap"<br>
><br>
> 5) Find the KNOWN SOURCES of the bugs and you have a chance of cleaning the<br>
> place. Miss even ONE source and you are back to your starting point<br>
><br>
> 6) BE VERY CAREFUL when you throw things out. Think "How can i move this<br>
> without dropping eggs and bugs somewhere else"<br>
><br>
> 7) RE_SCAN after you've done the cleanout. Wait 12 days for any eggs to<br>
> hatch, Get the dogs back and confirm that you didn't screw it up.<br>
><br>
> YMMV.<br>
><br>
> good luck.<br>
><br>
><br>
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