Everybody who's getting defensive about this: think for a second about why you're getting defensive about this :P.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Christopher Rasch <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:crasch@gmail.com">crasch@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Yes! Exactly what I was thinking. As one of the few guys in tech, it's<br>
really annoying when female coders objectify me. I'm more than my<br>
knowledge of the Unix command line, ladies! What about my rippling<br>
abs? My luscious head of hair? Sure, I like discussing the merits of<br>
Ubuntu vs. FreeBSD as much as next female coder, but when that's all you<br>
want to do, night after night, I feel used. Maybe if women started<br>
treating men as something more than a brain with legs, we'd see a few<br>
more men in tech.<br>
<br>
Chris<br>
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On 5/23/11 11:02 PM, Liz Henry wrote:<br>
> Obligatory feminist analysis.<br>
><br>
> I don't think it's funny at all and will happily explain why. The joke<br>
> rests on several stereotypical ideas -- that hardworking geeks are all<br>
> men, that women are commodities, and that men are entitled to sexual<br>
> access to women. I could unpack more but that's plenty to go on.<br>
><br>
> That to me combines into a "joke" that is merely a re-stating of<br>
> misogyny and in fact is one side of the coin of rape culture. Men are<br>
> taught that women are commodities. Women and girls are positioned in the<br>
> "joke" as if they hold immense power (here, actual "capital" which is<br>
> coded as "access to a vagina"). The rape culture aspect here is that men<br>
> are also taught that they should and can feel resentment and rage for<br>
> not "having" automatic access to women's bodies (and labor,<br>
> incidentally). It doesn't do men any good either for geeky guys to be<br>
> positioned as ungendered men who need to be taught how to be more<br>
> masculine, because then we end up with geeks who are constantly trying<br>
> to do macho posturing and prove even harder they're not like women --<br>
> geeks who have to perform misogyny in order not to be the targets of it.<br>
><br>
> I like to pretend sometimes that I get to be just human, but am sadly<br>
> aware that no matter what, under patriarchy, I have a dual status as<br>
> person and as currency. Since that's what I live under, I don't have any<br>
> fucking patience with this sort of joke and with ironic hipster sexism.<br>
> No... your ironic hipster sexism doesn't get a free pass to funny. It's<br>
> actually just the same to me as previous generations' asinine har-haring<br>
> over Dagwood or The Lockhorns in the funny papers...<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> - Liz<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 5/23/11 9:41 PM, Griffin Boyce wrote:<br>
>> That is a pretty funny joke =) The idea isn't bad though - lots of<br>
>> totally-dateable guys have startups or tech projects but no<br>
>> girlfriend/boyfriend.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> "Testimonials:"<br>
>><br>
>> "Before I found XY Combinator, I was lonely. Now I have a girlfriend!" Kevin<br>
>> R [ose]<br>
>><br>
>> "Thank you so much for giving me a chance at a social life!" Mark Z<br>
>> [uckerberg]<br>
>><br>
>> "That was the best rejection I've ever had. Very professional!" Richard N<br>
>> [ixon]<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 5:42 PM, aestetix aestetix<<a href="mailto:aestetix@gmail.com">aestetix@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Looks like an interesting site. Are there any other similar "demo day"<br>
>>> oriented dating sites?<br>
>>><br>
>>> <a href="http://www.xycombinator.com" target="_blank">http://www.xycombinator.com</a><br>
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