<p>Without the physical evidence being found by suggested methods, we cannot theorize nor assume anything. Who knows, maybe there's a vampire or parasite in the building. Been known to happen esp. in older buildings with less knowing tenants.</p>
<p>Be smart and use the collect intelligwnce we're famous for to do the correct forensics. Won't cost anything but just our time.</p>
<p>Bruce</p>
<p>Rubin Abdi wrote:<br>
Lights <br>
Lights <br>
Lights <br>
Public <br>
Computers Servers </p>
<p>If you speak of anything else eating up power at Noisebridge, you're a fool. </p>
<p>--Rubin Abdi <br>
<a href="mailto:rubin@starset.net">rubin@starset.net</a><br></p>
<p>Sent from Android. Pardon spelling.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 25, 2011 10:41 AM, "Bruce Wolfe" <<a href="mailto:brucewolfe.sf@gmail.com">brucewolfe.sf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">> Noisebridge memberships are reasonable but increasing memberships and<br>
> reducing access to non-members may be a way to go, possibly having certain<br>> open access hours instead. Though with increased volume of memberships comes<br>> more usage. Crunching the numbers would be in order.<br>
> <br>> But, that brings up another question: To what group does increase of power<br>> usage correlate? Members current w/ no increase, members new, non-members,<br>> etc.?<br>> <br>> If to new members then net revenue should be the same. And, so on.<br>
> <br>> Bruce<br>> <br>> Sent from Android. Pardon spelling.<br>> On Jun 25, 2011 10:24 AM, "rachel lyra hospodar" <<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>><br>> wrote:<br>
>> If anything I would say overall use of the sewing machines has declined<br>> over<br>>> the last year; it used to be much harder to get time on the single needle.<br>>><br>>> In the last year we have acquired some big hogs:<br>
>> -vending machine<br>>> -second fridge<br>>> -lazor<br>>><br>>> As well as, in my estimation, slightly increasing kitchen use and steadily<br>>> increasingly large numbers of people that are soldering on mondays. Also,<br>
>> just MORE users. If we are charging 20 more laptops every week that could<br>>> add up, no?<br>>><br>>> IMNSHO all commendable uses of the space (well, except maybe the vending<br>>> machine, curious what the ROI is there when it's adjusted for power<br>
>> consumption).<br>>><br>>> Maybe we can find a way to blame the hippies.<br>>><br>>> Maybe we can find a way to more prominently solicit donations.<br>>><br>>> <a href="http://mediumreality.com">mediumreality.com</a><br>
>> On Jun 24, 2011 6:27 PM, "Bruce Wolfe" <<a href="mailto:brucewolfe.sf@gmail.com">brucewolfe.sf@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>> How about WiFi webcams with white LEDs pointing onto the meters? Then you<br>
>>> can walk around the space with a smartphone even, unplugging devices and<br>>>> don't need the additional humans in the creepy basement.<br>>>><br>>>> How many new servers were installed lately, too? Remember, that data<br>
>> centers<br>>>> charge for rackspace based on power consumption.<br>>>><br>>>> I have to say that kitchen appliances and anything that is AC motorized<br>>> will<br>>>> probably be the culprit. Sorry, fabric-hackers, maybe sewing machines.<br>
>>><br>>>> Good luck.<br>>>> Bruce<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Danny O'Brien <<a href="mailto:danny@spesh.com">danny@spesh.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>>>>> We have mechanical meters, I think the smart meters are due in the next<br>>>>> year or so.<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Bruce Wolfe <<a href="mailto:brucewolfe.sf@gmail.com">brucewolfe.sf@gmail.com</a><br>
>>>wrote:<br>>>>><br>>>>>> Additionally, are these PG$E mechanical or Smart meters?<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Bruce<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Sent from Android. Pardon spelling.<br>
>>>>> On Jun 24, 2011 2:20 PM, "jim" <<a href="mailto:jim@well.com">jim@well.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>>> ><br>>>>>> ><br>>>>>> > Good idea. A variant is to unplug the suspect device<br>
>>>>> > and plug it into something that measures Amps (e.g. a<br>>>>>> > variac). What this will yield is a snapshot of amps.<br>>>>>> > What's additionally needed is to know the amount of use<br>
>>>>> > during a billing period.<br>>>>>> > A gizmo such as Andy's suggestion (we have one buried<br>>>>>> > behind the refridge next to the vending machine) can show<br>
>>>>> > power usage for a time period. (I saw it but didn't want<br>>>>>> > to move all the stuff necessary so's to retrieve it--if<br>>>>>> > someone does retrieve it, maybe it'd be good to have a<br>
>>>>> > well-known storage place for it or the note someone would<br>>>>>> > write to indicate it's current working location.)<br>>>>>> > I suspect the cooking stuff as the primary sucker of<br>
>>>>> > power and NB money: can cookers tell if there's been<br>>>>>> > greater use of that stuff in the last three months over<br>>>>>> > the previous quarter?<br>
>>>>> ><br>>>>>> ><br>>>>>> ><br>>>>>> ><br>>>>>> > On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 12:10 -0700, Bruce Wolfe wrote:<br>>>>>> >> Go analog and start unplugging things one at a time while someone is<br>
>>>>> >> watching the meter spin (or numbers flip) while on walkie-talkies,<br>> or<br>>>>>> >> a human chain to relay the message up and down or maybe just plain<br>>> old<br>
>>>>> >> two cans and string.<br>>>>>> >><br>>>>>> >> Bruce<br>>>>>> >><br>>>>>> >><br>>>>>> >> Sent from Android. Pardon spelling.<br>
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