As I've pointed out before, NYC Resistor was also in a sketchy area, and implemented a far more doors-closed policy. The space was freely open only on Thursday evenings, aside from that it was members only.<div><br></div>
<div>This policy did not seem to get in the way of people doing cool things, and it made the the people there feel a lot more safe.</div><div><br></div><div>I've already had a couple of experiences at NB where... undesirable visitors... made it impossible for me to get work done.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Perhaps we should have more of a vetting policy?</div><div><br></div><div>My concern is that word seems to be spreading - fast - around the neighborhood about NB being a wide-open place with lots of goodies.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Liz Henry <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:liz@bookmaniac.org">liz@bookmaniac.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im">On 7/9/11 9:31 AM, Quinn Norton wrote:<br>
> I'm confused. Did they actually do anything wrong besides make you uncomfortable?<br>
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</div>Good question and thanks for asking. I'll try to answer thoroughly,<br>
though it is a bit tl;dr. �It was my personal judgment from fairly brief<br>
contact, and yet I had a fairly sharp worry about the person's being in<br>
Noisebridge. It's important to discuss in public how we might form that<br>
kind of judgment and expose our possibly wrong/biased standards for<br>
criticism.<br>
<br>
The guy I thought should not be allowed in wasn't the main guy who later<br>
that night got into the fight though I think he was involved. I was<br>
worried about leaving the space as he arrived, from my conversation with<br>
him and the drunk girl who brought him in. He was drunk or high and also<br>
seemed a bit incoherent, hard to understand, and out of touch with<br>
reality. He explained that people call him The Angel Gabriel and then<br>
began talking about the Bible. He refused a tour or explanation of the<br>
space. He was not particularly clean and was dressed in camo. I had a<br>
further snap reaction to him that was kind of like "Okay... you're a<br>
person who has been in prison... more than once." So a sketchy dude who<br>
on first sight I think has been in jail or prison, crazy, babbling about<br>
the Bible, drunk, etc.<br>
<br>
None of those things alone would lead me to be uncomfortable enough with<br>
a person to say "You should not come in and in fact you should leave"<br>
but all in combination, along with it being late at night when there<br>
were not many people in the building to keep an eye on the situation,<br>
and the drunk girl much younger than him who I didn't think had very<br>
good judgment, concerned me. What I said was not anything reasonable but<br>
was a huge eyeroll and sarcastic "Oh fuck... GREAT...." �I came back<br>
with Danny after about an hour to make sure things were calm, and they<br>
seemed to be. So I did nothing and left. Not my finest moment.<br>
<br>
That afternoon I had just had encounters with several homeless and<br>
apparently mentally ill people in Noisebridge whose situations worried<br>
me, one of them Philip who could not manage to respect boundaries and<br>
who Danny escorted out. �Another of them was the lady with white hair<br>
who is running for mayor and believes the FBI put her in SF General<br>
psych ward, erased her tape recorder, and is following her; she<br>
desperately asked me for help that I didn't know how to provide. So I<br>
also didn't say anything to The Angel Gabriel because I worried I was<br>
being overly uptight and freaked out from my earlier stressful encounters.<br>
<br>
I'm not sure, but it seems like part of what was going on that night<br>
(and over the last few days) was that Philip looks for homeless people<br>
in difficulty to take back to his place so that he can provide them<br>
"therapy", and kind of hangs out in other open or community spaces to do<br>
that, and has added NB to his list of hangouts. �You might need to talk<br>
with Philip for a while yourself in order to decide whether you think<br>
that's a praiseworthy thing on his part or whether it is kind of disturbing.<br>
<br>
I think at NB we have many people who might be called non-neurotypical<br>
in various ways and we might all vary also in our level of comfort with<br>
that. So for example when someone has a bit of delusions of grandeur,<br>
fine and dandy as long as they aren't harming anyone. If they think the<br>
FBI reads their email because of their theories about economics, fine, a<br>
bit tin foil hat IMHO but also not doing much harm. I'm not talking<br>
about people who might be a little rambly or awkward or annoying. �I<br>
guess it is when people seem really unpredictable, or predatory,<br>
incoherent, and plus are not already part of our community, then I<br>
think, why let them in the door at all?<br>
<br>
The bit about it being late at night and not many people in the space, I<br>
also have some worries that the very people who were left in the space<br>
who might be the ones who did not feel safe because of their own life<br>
situations and who have been turning to others in the space to ask them<br>
to behave as "authorities". During the day more people are around to<br>
decide together what to do. That's part of why in retrospect I wish I'd<br>
just asked The Angel Gabriel to leave immediately. He seemed like a risk<br>
that people there might not be able to cope with. So it was not just<br>
about my personal comfort level or some abstract idea of safe space or<br>
politeness or bourgeois respectability. I'm not sure what actually<br>
happened that night later on, but it sounds like there was a fight, the<br>
guy sleeping on the couch was forcibly ejected, and *then* the police<br>
were called.<br>
<br>
Something felt really "off" about the space and part of that is people<br>
not very strongly connected to NB and who don't know each other well<br>
either, letting each other in, late at night.<br>
<br>
I think there is also increasing class tension as more of the people<br>
coming in are completely homeless and lack many resources and lack a<br>
network of people who have access to those resources, while others of us<br>
are comparatively privileged, with marketable skills, shelter, food,<br>
jobs, emotional stability, and friends who have all of the above<br>
resources and more. Homeless not like "temporarily homeless hacker" but<br>
like "crazy person who has been on the streets for years and has just<br>
randomly showed up here." � We have to figure out how to talk openly<br>
about those issues amongst ourselves without stigmatizing poverty,<br>
homelessness, or mental illness.<br>
<br>
Obviously I'm no expert in this.<br>
<br>
If people want to make Noisebridge into a community soup kitchen,<br>
resource center, and squat, and invite people in off the street, that<br>
will radically change the nature of the space and the problems it faces<br>
and who wants to come here and why.<br>
<br>
I don't want to do that, though I help people out individually in the<br>
community where I live.<br>
<br>
So I am not talking about Banning People but I think there is room in<br>
our community to speak as individuals to tell people "I'm uncomfortable<br>
with you because of X, Y, Z behavior" or "because I don't trust you not<br>
to steal stuff". �That's what I'm going to say to people when I'm<br>
thinking it, in future. It will be interesting to see what answers I get.<br>
<br>
Other people can decide what approach they will take individually or<br>
collectively. I realize some may totally disagree with me that there is<br>
a problem. See what you think when you meet some of these folks.<br>
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