<p>Here's an idea. When someone buzzes to get in, let's take a moment to use the speaker to talk to them remotely. Perhaps a simple password? Or maybe even having a camera on the entryway so we can see who's asking to come in, and we can post the banned persons images next to the buzzer.</p>
<p>We could change the password every week or month, and post it on the wiki or list in a clever location. Homeless people would be unlikely to figure out where to find the passwords, and if we change it often enough, we could keep them confounded.</p>
<p>Or, I dunno, ssh keys? Kinda hard to read and verify them over the intercom....</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 11, 2011 5:16 PM, "Ken Adler" <<a href="mailto:ken.adler@gmail.com">ken.adler@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">> Liz:<br>> <br>> The nuances in your detailed response reminds me of how much I love the<br>
> NoiseBridge community.<br>> <br>> I pray that the "root cause" of the current situation is what you posited<br>> that it might be:<br>> <br>> <snip><br>> <br>> I'm not sure, but it seems like part of what was going on that night<br>
> (and over the last few days) was that Philip looks for homeless people<br>> in difficulty to take back to his place so that he can provide them<br>> "therapy",<br>> </snip><br>> <br>> <br>
> I don't (think I) know Philip, but it sounds as his heart is in the right<br>> place. Hopefully he can be approached and have your following paragraph<br>> explained to him:<br>> <br>> <snip><br>
> If people want to make Noisebridge into a community soup kitchen,<br>> resource center, and squat, and invite people in off the street, that<br>> will radically change the nature of the space and the problems it faces<br>
> and who wants to come here and why.<br>> </snip><br>> <br>> <br>> I hope that he can understand that this activity fits into that fuzzy gray<br>> area between "Do-ocracy" and an activity that needs "consensus". No foul<br>
> for accidentally stepping over the line as long as he respects the results<br>> of a "call for consensus" arrived at the Tuesday meeting.<br>> <br>> If we are lucky enough that this is truly the root cause of the uptick, then<br>
> hopefully, we can mitigate the situation without having to go into lockdown<br>> mode with video cameras, booby traps, and alligator pits. All we will need<br>> to do is 1) stop having new "therapy patients" being introduced into the<br>
> space, 2) do whatever is needed to be done to make sure sure that those<br>> "non-member former patients" know that they are not welcome and do not<br>> attempt to enter anymore, and 3) pray that the "word on the street" that NB<br>
> is a great squat fades away.<br>> <br>> Yes, call me the eternal optimist.<br>> <br>> Ken "Max's Dad" Adler.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Liz Henry <<a href="mailto:liz@bookmaniac.org">liz@bookmaniac.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>>> On 7/9/11 9:31 AM, Quinn Norton wrote:<br>>> > I'm confused. Did they actually do anything wrong besides make you<br>>> uncomfortable?<br>>> ><br>>><br>>><br>>> Good question and thanks for asking. I'll try to answer thoroughly,<br>
>> though it is a bit tl;dr. It was my personal judgment from fairly brief<br>>> contact, and yet I had a fairly sharp worry about the person's being in<br>>> Noisebridge. It's important to discuss in public how we might form that<br>
>> kind of judgment and expose our possibly wrong/biased standards for<br>>> criticism.<br>>><br>>> The guy I thought should not be allowed in wasn't the main guy who later<br>>> that night got into the fight though I think he was involved. I was<br>
>> worried about leaving the space as he arrived, from my conversation with<br>>> him and the drunk girl who brought him in. He was drunk or high and also<br>>> seemed a bit incoherent, hard to understand, and out of touch with<br>
>> reality. He explained that people call him The Angel Gabriel and then<br>>> began talking about the Bible. He refused a tour or explanation of the<br>>> space. He was not particularly clean and was dressed in camo. I had a<br>
>> further snap reaction to him that was kind of like "Okay... you're a<br>>> person who has been in prison... more than once." So a sketchy dude who<br>>> on first sight I think has been in jail or prison, crazy, babbling about<br>
>> the Bible, drunk, etc.<br>>><br>>> None of those things alone would lead me to be uncomfortable enough with<br>>> a person to say "You should not come in and in fact you should leave"<br>
>> but all in combination, along with it being late at night when there<br>>> were not many people in the building to keep an eye on the situation,<br>>> and the drunk girl much younger than him who I didn't think had very<br>
>> good judgment, concerned me. What I said was not anything reasonable but<br>>> was a huge eyeroll and sarcastic "Oh fuck... GREAT...." I came back<br>>> with Danny after about an hour to make sure things were calm, and they<br>
>> seemed to be. So I did nothing and left. Not my finest moment.<br>>><br>>> That afternoon I had just had encounters with several homeless and<br>>> apparently mentally ill people in Noisebridge whose situations worried<br>
>> me, one of them Philip who could not manage to respect boundaries and<br>>> who Danny escorted out. Another of them was the lady with white hair<br>>> who is running for mayor and believes the FBI put her in SF General<br>
>> psych ward, erased her tape recorder, and is following her; she<br>>> desperately asked me for help that I didn't know how to provide. So I<br>>> also didn't say anything to The Angel Gabriel because I worried I was<br>
>> being overly uptight and freaked out from my earlier stressful encounters.<br>>><br>>> I'm not sure, but it seems like part of what was going on that night<br>>> (and over the last few days) was that Philip looks for homeless people<br>
>> in difficulty to take back to his place so that he can provide them<br>>> "therapy", and kind of hangs out in other open or community spaces to do<br>>> that, and has added NB to his list of hangouts. You might need to talk<br>
>> with Philip for a while yourself in order to decide whether you think<br>>> that's a praiseworthy thing on his part or whether it is kind of<br>>> disturbing.<br>>><br>>> I think at NB we have many people who might be called non-neurotypical<br>
>> in various ways and we might all vary also in our level of comfort with<br>>> that. So for example when someone has a bit of delusions of grandeur,<br>>> fine and dandy as long as they aren't harming anyone. If they think the<br>
>> FBI reads their email because of their theories about economics, fine, a<br>>> bit tin foil hat IMHO but also not doing much harm. I'm not talking<br>>> about people who might be a little rambly or awkward or annoying. I<br>
>> guess it is when people seem really unpredictable, or predatory,<br>>> incoherent, and plus are not already part of our community, then I<br>>> think, why let them in the door at all?<br>>><br>>> The bit about it being late at night and not many people in the space, I<br>
>> also have some worries that the very people who were left in the space<br>>> who might be the ones who did not feel safe because of their own life<br>>> situations and who have been turning to others in the space to ask them<br>
>> to behave as "authorities". During the day more people are around to<br>>> decide together what to do. That's part of why in retrospect I wish I'd<br>>> just asked The Angel Gabriel to leave immediately. He seemed like a risk<br>
>> that people there might not be able to cope with. So it was not just<br>>> about my personal comfort level or some abstract idea of safe space or<br>>> politeness or bourgeois respectability. I'm not sure what actually<br>
>> happened that night later on, but it sounds like there was a fight, the<br>>> guy sleeping on the couch was forcibly ejected, and *then* the police<br>>> were called.<br>>><br>>> Something felt really "off" about the space and part of that is people<br>
>> not very strongly connected to NB and who don't know each other well<br>>> either, letting each other in, late at night.<br>>><br>>> I think there is also increasing class tension as more of the people<br>
>> coming in are completely homeless and lack many resources and lack a<br>>> network of people who have access to those resources, while others of us<br>>> are comparatively privileged, with marketable skills, shelter, food,<br>
>> jobs, emotional stability, and friends who have all of the above<br>>> resources and more. Homeless not like "temporarily homeless hacker" but<br>>> like "crazy person who has been on the streets for years and has just<br>
>> randomly showed up here." We have to figure out how to talk openly<br>>> about those issues amongst ourselves without stigmatizing poverty,<br>>> homelessness, or mental illness.<br>>><br>
>> Obviously I'm no expert in this.<br>>><br>>> If people want to make Noisebridge into a community soup kitchen,<br>>> resource center, and squat, and invite people in off the street, that<br>
>> will radically change the nature of the space and the problems it faces<br>>> and who wants to come here and why.<br>>><br>>> I don't want to do that, though I help people out individually in the<br>
>> community where I live.<br>>><br>>> So I am not talking about Banning People but I think there is room in<br>>> our community to speak as individuals to tell people "I'm uncomfortable<br>
>> with you because of X, Y, Z behavior" or "because I don't trust you not<br>>> to steal stuff". That's what I'm going to say to people when I'm<br>>> thinking it, in future. It will be interesting to see what answers I get.<br>
>><br>>> Other people can decide what approach they will take individually or<br>>> collectively. I realize some may totally disagree with me that there is<br>>> a problem. See what you think when you meet some of these folks.<br>
>><br>>><br>>><br>>> - Liz<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> --<br>>> Liz Henry<br>>> <a href="mailto:lizhenry@gmail.com">lizhenry@gmail.com</a><br>>> <a href="http://bookmaniac.org">http://bookmaniac.org</a><br>
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