I fucking love you Rachel. Noisebridge is not a freeschool annex, IMO.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 3:11 PM, rachel lyra hospodar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">I'm going to reply inline<br>
<div class="im"><br>
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 8:48 AM, girlgeek <<a href="mailto:girlgeek@wt.net">girlgeek@wt.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> Adding my 2 cents.<br>
><br>
> I second the suggestion of 10AM to 10PM (or earlier) open hours - 10PM to<br>
> 10AM - 'members' only please. I put 'members' in quotes because we can be<br>
> very liberal in what we consider a member for these purposes.<br>
> We might consider a $5/visit donation requirement which we can forget to<br>
> ask of anyone who looks O.K.<br>
> We might consider a $2/visit donation of anyone who isn't a true monthly<br>
> paying member and solve some financial problems at the same time.<br>
<br>
</div>all of these solutions require us to do some kind of vague but active<br>
people sorting, filtering, demanding money, closing the doors or<br>
kicking out of nonmembers. i mean, what happens at 10pm? who stands<br>
up and kicks out all those people we have spent two years telling that<br>
they can come in and work whenever they want? Or do we just want to<br>
kick out problem people? i fail to see how that differs from saying<br>
"let's kick out problem people" except for the second is far more<br>
honest.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> We might consider a lock on the upstairs door that opens with the same key<br>
> or keypad as downstairs, but otherwise has to be opened by someone who<br>
> greets - and tells strangers to go away after 10PM.<br>
<br>
</div>i like this better. i also like the keypad/simply no longer buzzing<br>
people in solution, i think it's similar in effect. I also would like<br>
to propose a similar solution: a passphrase. to get buzzed in you<br>
must deliver the passphrase. it could be distributed via wiki,<br>
mailing list, whatever. i like the password over the keypad solution<br>
because i believe it has the same level of filter but more fun in<br>
implementation, and less work up-front to implement it it would<br>
require a greater behavioral change, but that might be a good thing.<br>
training people to have a small interaction with others to allow the<br>
others to enter could be a step in the right direction.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> I like, "What are you here to work on?" as a filter of people. We need an<br>
> acceptable response for Free School people like, "I'm part of the Free<br>
> School." but otherwise, anyone coming in who doesn't look right shouldn't be<br>
> here without a project.<br>
<br>
</div>Um, fuck the free school. I am sure that many of them are nice people<br>
but they have several spaces nearby they can use for their chanting<br>
circles/massage parties/talking about hippie stuff/whatever and being<br>
part of Free School is not a reason to hang out at noisebridge.<br>
<br>
working on creative technology projects is.<br>
<br>
working on creative technology projects is.<br>
<br>
working on creative technology projects is.<br>
<br>
working on creative technology projects is.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
<br>
><br>
> A slightly different aspect of the problem. Say someone unexcellent comes<br>
> in.....<br>
><br>
> It is only a small % of us that feel that we can ask them to leave. We need<br>
> some sort of social ok or awareness that especially as long as this problem<br>
> exists that we need to err on the side of asking people to leave, an we all<br>
> need to work as a group on the problem when an unexcellent person comes in.<br>
> And it can be very difficult to get the idea across to someone crazy,<br>
> stoned, or crazy stoned that they need to leave. Remember when we asked<br>
> Salvador Dali Lama to leave - daily.<br>
><br>
> Avoiding theft means asking a suspected thief to leave, before they have<br>
> done anything wrong. This means that we must act on our 'bad feeling about<br>
> someone'. Are we all willing to do that?<br>
<br>
</div>we must as a community come up with some tools to help us know when we<br>
can and should ask people to leave, and to help us know how to do it<br>
without being an asshole or unfairly targeting someone we don't know<br>
or who is different from ourselves.<br>
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R.<br>
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