I'm willing to show up in the morning.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Al Sweigart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com">asweigart@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Sounds good. I'll forward the info to you and encourage others to do the same.<br>
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On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Danny O'Brien <<a href="mailto:danny@spesh.com">danny@spesh.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Al Sweigart <<a href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com">asweigart@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> I came to Noisebridge this morning to check for sleepers. I haven't<br>
>> done so in a while. There were about half a dozen people up and<br>
>> working on stuff, and two people crashed on couches and chairs.<br>
>><br>
>> One them was Lennie, who's a new guy who started coming to the space a<br>
>> month or two ago. I bring this up in particular because this is the<br>
>> third time I've found him sleeping at the space. As usual, I woke him<br>
>> up and talked to him a bit about Noisebridge's sleeper problem and<br>
>> then asked him to leave. (When I wake people up and don't ask people<br>
>> to leave, they just go back to crashing at Noisebridge when I walk out<br>
>> the door. I've checked.)<br>
><br>
> Hey Al,<br>
><br>
> As I've said a couple of times in private email, and several people<br>
> said in the meeting, it'd be useful to coordinate so you don't end<br>
> being the only person turning up in the mornings or checking up on<br>
> these things.<br>
><br>
> I think what you say and do to people who are just using the space to<br>
> sleep in has added force if others are doing it also, and also having<br>
> some co-operation on this also helps prevent burnout or the idea that<br>
> this is just something you're doing off your own bat. It's a lot<br>
> harder for someone to protest that you're exclusively conducting a<br>
> guilt trip when there are several others talking to them about their<br>
> behaviour. It also means that they are reminded about it when there's<br>
> no Al around.<br>
><br>
> My understanding was also that one of the reasons why you're unhappy<br>
> about the lack of a concrete rule about opening times or whether it's<br>
> appropriate to sleep in the space, is because without such a rule, you<br>
> feel diminishes your capability to actually ask people to leave, and<br>
> it makes you feel awkward because you are unsure of the level of<br>
> support. Many people at the meeting said that you do have support, and<br>
> that the NB way to provide that support more concretely was to provide<br>
> some structure and co-operation for what you're doing.<br>
><br>
> Some people also wanted to know who was sleeping at the space, because<br>
> it was confusing to hear rumors and conflicting reports. You said that<br>
> you felt uncomfortable giving names in public because of the criticism<br>
> over privacy that you received last time this had happened.<br>
><br>
> In response to that, I agreed to act as a resource so you and others<br>
> could inform me of who you've seen, and I could keep a tally and<br>
> publicise in a way to nb-discuss of the level of the problem that<br>
> would both help preserve people's privacy and Googeability, actually<br>
> collect them some concrete data, �document whether this problem is<br>
> getting worse or better, etc. I willing to spend some time working out<br>
> how to be both public about the facts and protective of privacy,<br>
> because it's actually something I face pretty repeatedly when doing<br>
> the secretarial tasks.<br>
><br>
> I'd like to repeat, in public, the offering of both of these<br>
> solutions: people to help you, and some system to track and publicise<br>
> the level of recurring sleeping. What do you think?<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> I was polite, he was polite. He explained that he was just taking a<br>
>> short nap and not sleeping (which was the same explanation he gave the<br>
>> first two times, and it wasn't very believable then either.) He said<br>
>> he thought it was disrespectful to wake people up and ask them to<br>
>> leave. He implied that people stopped hanging around the space because<br>
>> I was waking up sleepers in the morning (I usually arrive between 6am<br>
>> and 7am), and some other guilt-trip remarks. His stalling went on for<br>
>> about half an hour, but I kept replying that he's free to work all<br>
>> night at Noisebridge but needs to make plans for getting home before<br>
>> he gets sleepy, and that he still had to leave this morning. Lennie<br>
>> packed up and walked over to Mitch and spent another half hour<br>
>> explaining himself, and finally left. I left a little bit later. After<br>
>> I got on my bike and was riding away I noticed he was back at the<br>
>> Noisebridge gate.<br>
>><br>
>> This isn't a one-off thing, and Lennie never said he'd stop doing it.<br>
>> Talking to him about doesn't phase him one bit. If this becomes a<br>
>> problem again (and tell me if it does), I'm going to tell Lennie to<br>
>> stop coming to Noisebridge.<br>
>><br>
>> -Al<br>
>><br>
>> Also, the sinks were full of dishes, there were fruit flies hovering<br>
>> around food that had been left out, and vegetables are being stored in<br>
>> unsealed containers again where the rats can get to them. On the plus<br>
>> side, the kitchen counters were clean and the hackers-to-sleepers<br>
>> ratio is a complete inversion of what it was a couple weeks ago.<br>
><br>
> The kitchen, and a lot of the space was *really* clean yesterday<br>
> (though I noticed as I left that fruit was being brought into the<br>
> space). A couple of people commented to me on how much more organized<br>
> and tidy the place is �looking, and as I left, Espen was finishing on<br>
> his work tidying up the workshop.<br>
><br>
> I think maybe we get a situation where plates are left in the sink<br>
> overnight, but cleaned afterwards (whether by the same people or just<br>
> grumpy/generous people cleaning I don't know).<br>
><br>
> d.<br>
><br>
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