<p>You seem to be missing my point.</p>
<p>I am not saying that people always deface signs to be helpful. I think the FACT of their defacement or removal is a helpful data point.</p>
<p>If you choose to focus on it in a different way, that is your choice.</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 29, 2011 10:31 AM, "Al Sweigart" <<a href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com">asweigart@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">> The tagging I've seen haven't really been helpful commentary so much<br>
> as just passive aggressive snarky comments or the sign just gets torn<br>> down. Either way, it doesn't really facilitate communication and<br>> discourages people from putting up signs in the first place. It's not<br>
> like the wiki, where you can have a separate talk page and undoing<br>> edits are trivial.<br>> <br>> Anyway, my offer still stands. I'll donate a dollar a day to<br>> Noisebridge each day the printed signs go without being defaced or<br>
> torn down. I'll occasionally replace signs and start paying again if<br>> they get tagged up.<br>> <br>> I'm up for meeting with Liz and Daravinne for brainstorming. There's a<br>> wiki page up too: <a href="http://nburl.net/signage">nburl.net/signage</a><br>
> <br>> -Al<br>> <br>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Danny O'Brien <<a href="mailto:danny@spesh.com">danny@spesh.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:06 AM, rachel lyra hospodar<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>> I think if a sign gets removed or defaced it's often an excellent piece of<br>>>> feedback from the community about the quality, intentions, or placement of<br>
>>> the sign. Signs I've made have been removed. I try to be pragmatic about it<br>>>> and take the fact of their removal to be something I can improve against.<br>>>><br>>>> I think we need better signage for a lot of reasons... including exit<br>
>>> signs. Anyone want to start a signage working group with me?<br>>>><br>>><br>>> I think the best place for this would be on the social engineering list.<br>>> <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/socialengineering">https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/socialengineering</a><br>
>><br>>> Me, Liz and Daravinne can't make it to this week's tuesday meeting (or<br>>> the social engineering meeting before it, so maybe meet up before then<br>>> to brainstorm on it?)<br>>><br>
>> d.<br>>><br>>>> <a href="http://mediumreality.com">mediumreality.com</a><br>>>><br>>>> On Jul 29, 2011 10:02 AM, "Danny O'Brien" <<a href="mailto:danny@spesh.com">danny@spesh.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Al Sweigart <<a href="mailto:asweigart@gmail.com">asweigart@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>>> One of the efforts I want to do to make the space less intimidating to<br>
>>>>> new people is to improve the signage around the space to make it more<br>>>>>> obvious what things are at NB, where those things are, and provide<br>>>>>> answers for "what is this thing?" (protip: If the thing is glowing<br>
>>>>> and/or slimy, don't touch it.)<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> A lot of the signs have been getting tagged up recently (if you have a<br>>>>>> problem or suggestion with the wording, feel free to email me<br>
>>>>> privately or email the list), so to encourage preserving the signs,<br>>>>>> I'm going to donate $1 each day the signs go without being defaced or<br>>>>>> torn down. (If anyone can help with a part of that dollar, it'd be<br>
>>>>> great. $365 a year adds up.)<br>>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> Hey Al, I think Daravinne and Liz are already working on improving the<br>>>>> signing (as is somebody I don't know from taste bridge), you might<br>
>>>> want to work with them on this. There's some talk about getting a<br>>>>> laminator as well.<br>>>>><br>>>>> I think the "tagging" comes from a general encouragement in the last<br>
>>>> batch of signs to note changes or improvements, and I personally think<br>>>>> it's a good way to get direct commentary; though in general I also<br>>>>> think putting an email and contact on the signs is also good. Liz's<br>
>>>> kitchen signs got taken down specifically because someone is working<br>>>>> on better versions of them, based on the written improvements. Our<br>>>>> signs are generally just not very good or clear (or just<br>
>>>> overpowering), and I think requires more thought than simply<br>>>>> attempting not to deface or remove ones that aren't working.<br>>>>><br>>>>> d.<br>>>>><br>
>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>>> -Al<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> p.s. I put fresh black and color cartridges in the white HP inkjet<br>>>>>> printer, but print in color sparingly cause it's expensive (i.e.<br>
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