Am I being trolled and just naive? If I am, will a board member please kindly let me know? I'm beginning to wonder, especially by the question in anonymity (whoever you, Snail, are).<br><br>No, I'm long over it, thank you. Would you kindly explain to me what part of "the diarrhea I had 10 days ago" would lead you to conclude I might be currently ill? <br>
<br>Yes, quarantine was great. It would be ideal if we knew which person was getting it next, <u>especially</u> as it requires NO responsibility or action by anyone in the group!<br><br>Unfortunately, to quote the California lotto, "Are You Next? <br>
<br>Don't worry, I'm smiling and not worked up over this... I've already had it. :-)<br><br>Duncan<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Snail <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:snailtsunami@gmail.com">snailtsunami@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><p>If you're personally sick, maybe you should avoid being at nb until your health improves, if you're concerned with spreading it. Quarantine is a great way to prevent public outbreak.</p>
<p></p><blockquote type="cite"><div class="im">On Sep 11, 2011 6:10 PM, "Just Duncan" <<a href="mailto:justduncan@gmail.com" target="_blank">justduncan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>ARRRGGHHH!! Forget the flowers-- After several days of the severe runs last week and CONTINUING to clean back-splashed fecal matter from the toilets in greater frequency, I'm trying-- apparently unsuccessfully thus far-- to prevent/contain an outbreak of illness here at Noisebridge. Rather than action or volunteering to help solve the problem, all I seem to be hearing about is the goddamn flowers. The flowers don't cause diarrhea, but they do foster the vectors that do. It's the diarrhea, folks, DIARRHEA. The problem is pathogens in fecal matter causing diarrhea, NOT flowers. <br>
<br>Dysentary, per se, is not the only bacteria to cause gastroenteritis/diarrhea, nor the only pathogen found in human feces. Other more likely ones include salmonella, enterovirii, Norwalk virus (a norovirus), camphlyobactor, E.coli, crytosporidium, coliforms, and coliphages. Fruit flies transmit pathogens in fecal matter <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1169043/" target="_blank">(1)</a> , including <a href="http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/full/65/1/1" target="_blank">E coli</a>. Flowers attract fruit flies (see <a href="http://www.infobarrel.com/Getting_Rid_of_Fruit_Flies" target="_blank">7th bullet point under the "CLEAN" section here</a>). By analogy, rodents don't transmit the Black Plague, but the fleas that loved to hang out with rodents did. <br>
<br>I am BAFFLED why Noisebridge folks seem to refuse to want to address problems when they are small and PREVENT them. FOCUS, PLEASE: THIS IS NOT ABOUT FLOWERS OR SIGNS. IT IS ABOUT PREVENTING A PUBLIC HEALTH PROBLEM BY BEING RESPONSIBLE, *NOW*.<br>
<br>But wait, this is Noisebridge, where the decision-making is not only consensus process based, but-- as it seems to me based on recent events-- crisis management driven. Let me put this another way: Would we, as a group of individuals, prefer to step up and prevent an outbreak of pathogen-based diarrhea (which can be life-threatening) ourselves? Or should we just ignore this health issue, focus on the importance of flowers, and continue a <i>que sera sera</i> apathetic attitude... until the Department of Public Health (or, worse, CDC) shows up to governmentally "solve" the problem for us? After all, we ARE technically preparing and serving food publicly. If we were a restaurant, I have no doubt that the health inspection would close us down for neglecting ANY attempt to encourage or enable the most basic steps of food safely, personal hygiene, and other parts of the food preparation health code.<br>
<br>Personally, I just don't want the horrible, cramping, ill-feeling diarrhea I had 10 days ago... nor do I want anyone else to experience them. I clean the toilets fairly regularly; trust me, empirical evidence suggests it is still continuing. I don't think this anywhere merits a 3-1-1 call, but the silence on this from board members even is perplexing. If no one wants to deal with this but is willing to financially underwrite it, let me know and I'll get it done.<br>
<br>Can we focus on the Feces and Fruit Flies, please? Does it help if I point out that this might well be something that could affect YOU? <br><br>THANK YOU, Noisebridge is excellent! Let's work to keep it that way, ok?<br>
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<br>Duncan</font></div><p><font color="#500050"><div class="im"><br><br>On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 5:54 AM, girlgeek <<a href="mailto:girlgeek@wt.net" target="_blank">girlgeek@wt.net</a>> wrote:<br>><br></div>> Whether or not you like the...</font></p>
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