YEAY!!! <br><br>Success! Excellence!<br><br>This is a huge thank you to all the people at Noisebridge who have joined in focusing and resolving the concerns I raised. Thank you for your input/feedback, roll-up-your-sleeves action, and financial donation. In several days, we've made great strides in addressing the two main areas of concern:<br>
<br>We've improved the infrastructure/supplies that facilitate the healthy practice of washing one's hands after using the bathroom and before using the kitchen area are in place. Specifically, we at Noisebridge have:<br>
<ul><li>Bought and have located pump-dispensed, antibacterial foaming hand soap on the sink in both bathrooms;</li><li>Bought <i>Dawn</i> dish washing soap for the kitchen sink;</li><li>Boiught and have located a large pump-dispenser of antibacterial sanitizing hand gel in the kitchen near the dishwasher. PUMP IT... Pump it Good! :-)<br>
</li><li>Bought and installed a paper towel holder (yes, with paper towels) in the kitchen. Paper towel holders for the two bathrooms are coming this weekend;</li></ul>All of the above sport the large red Noisebridge logo sticker for greater visibility.<br>
<br>We've successfully made major advances in our efforts to reduce the breeding and feeding and general population of fruit flies at Noisebridge. Actions include:<br><ul><li>Bought Lysol antibacterial kitchen cleaning pump spray and are using it to more thoroughly clean the surfaces in the kitchen area;</li>
<li>Began and will be continuing a week-long project of cleaning the interior areas of all kitchen cabinets and drawers;</li><li>With Francisco's help, relocated and contained his excellent banana vinegar project in a safer location. The banana vinegar should be ready in October;<br>
</li><li>Cleaned and reorganized the food storage room, hanging fly paper with curiosity;<br></li><li>Have improved our fresh raw fruit & vegetable storage practices by:</li><ul><li>Containing them in clean, plastic buckets with matching, fitting/sealed plastic lids in order to maximum their span of edibility (vs, cardboard boxes);</li>
<li>Inspecting stored perishables regularly in order to verify that we are storing eatable food, not decaying waste;<br></li></ul><li>Encouraging increased use of the existing cleaning & waste disposal technology in the kitchen;</li>
<li>Taken a deep breath, noticed how excellent Noisebridge is, and smelled the roses;</li></ul>Personally, this was a most excellent experience in raising concerns, learning how Noisebridge works (and I'm still learning, BTW ;-) ), communicating, focusing, organizing, working with many others to reach common ground solutions that resolved various and differing concerns. Thank You!<br>
<br>P.S. The Noisebridger who suggested the subject line was right about generating a high click-open rate. Fortunately, all involved contributed to contain the drama level and focus on solutions instead. As such, hopefully, you won't be hearing the "D" word at tomorrow night's meeting... except maybe from one fun, mischievous devil who can't resist. ;-)<br>
<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Danny O'Brien <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danny@spesh.com" target="_blank">danny@spesh.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Duncan.<br><br>In practical terms, talk to Ed, who is a trained restaurant professional, is working on the fruitfly problem, and still has at least twenty hours of service to Noisebridge to go, Francisco, who runs the cleaning process on Wednesday, and the rest of tastebridge at <a href="mailto:tastebridge@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">tastebridge@lists.noisebridge.net</a>. The brewing people are meeting tomorrow at 7PM, if you want to speak to them also.<br>
<br>I think a lot of your ideas make a great deal of sense; if what you want is some money, go ahead and ask somebody for some money. I'm not sure what else you want.<br><font color="#888888"><br>d.</font><div><div></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Just Duncan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:justduncan@gmail.com" target="_blank">justduncan@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Am I being trolled and just naive? If I am, will a board member please kindly let me know? I'm beginning to wonder, especially by the question in anonymity (whoever you, Snail, are).<br><br>No, I'm long over it, thank you. Would you kindly explain to me what part of "the diarrhea I had 10 days ago" would lead you to conclude I might be currently ill? <br>
<br>Yes, quarantine was great. It would be ideal if we knew which person was getting it next, <u>especially</u> as it requires NO responsibility or action by anyone in the group!<br><br>Unfortunately, to quote the California lotto, "Are You Next? <br>
<br>Don't worry, I'm smiling and not worked up over this... I've already had it. :-)<br><br>Duncan<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Snail <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:snailtsunami@gmail.com" target="_blank">snailtsunami@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><p>If you're personally sick, maybe you should avoid being at nb until your health improves, if you're concerned with spreading it. Quarantine is a great way to prevent public outbreak.</p>
<p></p><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>On Sep 11, 2011 6:10 PM, "Just Duncan" <<a href="mailto:justduncan@gmail.com" target="_blank">justduncan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>ARRRGGHHH!! Forget the flowers-- After several days of the severe runs last week and CONTINUING to clean back-splashed fecal matter from the toilets in greater frequency, I'm trying-- apparently unsuccessfully thus far-- to prevent/contain an outbreak of illness here at Noisebridge. Rather than action or volunteering to help solve the problem, all I seem to be hearing about is the goddamn flowers. The flowers don't cause diarrhea, but they do foster the vectors that do. It's the diarrhea, folks, DIARRHEA. The problem is pathogens in fecal matter causing diarrhea, NOT flowers. <br>
<br>Dysentary, per se, is not the only bacteria to cause gastroenteritis/diarrhea, nor the only pathogen found in human feces. Other more likely ones include salmonella, enterovirii, Norwalk virus (a norovirus), camphlyobactor, E.coli, crytosporidium, coliforms, and coliphages. Fruit flies transmit pathogens in fecal matter <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1169043/" target="_blank">(1)</a> , including <a href="http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/full/65/1/1" target="_blank">E coli</a>. Flowers attract fruit flies (see <a href="http://www.infobarrel.com/Getting_Rid_of_Fruit_Flies" target="_blank">7th bullet point under the "CLEAN" section here</a>). By analogy, rodents don't transmit the Black Plague, but the fleas that loved to hang out with rodents did. <br>
<br>I am BAFFLED why Noisebridge folks seem to refuse to want to address problems when they are small and PREVENT them. FOCUS, PLEASE: THIS IS NOT ABOUT FLOWERS OR SIGNS. IT IS ABOUT PREVENTING A PUBLIC HEALTH PROBLEM BY BEING RESPONSIBLE, *NOW*.<br>
<br>But wait, this is Noisebridge, where the decision-making is not only consensus process based, but-- as it seems to me based on recent events-- crisis management driven. Let me put this another way: Would we, as a group of individuals, prefer to step up and prevent an outbreak of pathogen-based diarrhea (which can be life-threatening) ourselves? Or should we just ignore this health issue, focus on the importance of flowers, and continue a <i>que sera sera</i> apathetic attitude... until the Department of Public Health (or, worse, CDC) shows up to governmentally "solve" the problem for us? After all, we ARE technically preparing and serving food publicly. If we were a restaurant, I have no doubt that the health inspection would close us down for neglecting ANY attempt to encourage or enable the most basic steps of food safely, personal hygiene, and other parts of the food preparation health code.<br>
<br>Personally, I just don't want the horrible, cramping, ill-feeling diarrhea I had 10 days ago... nor do I want anyone else to experience them. I clean the toilets fairly regularly; trust me, empirical evidence suggests it is still continuing. I don't think this anywhere merits a 3-1-1 call, but the silence on this from board members even is perplexing. If no one wants to deal with this but is willing to financially underwrite it, let me know and I'll get it done.<br>
<br>Can we focus on the Feces and Fruit Flies, please? Does it help if I point out that this might well be something that could affect YOU? <br><br>THANK YOU, Noisebridge is excellent! Let's work to keep it that way, ok?<br>
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<br>Duncan</font></div></div><p><font color="#500050"></font></p><div><div><font color="#500050"><br><br>On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 5:54 AM, girlgeek <<a href="mailto:girlgeek@wt.net" target="_blank">girlgeek@wt.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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