Why not just disable the doorbell entirely? <div><br></div><div>If someone wants to get in, they either a) have a key b) the phone number of someone in the space who they know or c) the number of the Cisco IP phone. The latter can be easily found by going online, and forces interaction with someone (the person who answers the phone).<div>
<br></div><div>Someone with a track record of proven excellence can be given a key - even if they are not a member.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Casey Callendrello <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:c1@caseyc.net">c1@caseyc.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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A few thoughts. I'm just brainstorming here, and welcome comment.<br>
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First of all, I highly discourage use of the doorbell as a regular
means of access. I have personally made it very easy to open the
gate via cellphone, and I have a more-secure and even-simpler method
in the works. I have put my do-ocratic capital where my mouth is, as
it were.<br>
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What if we disable the doorbell entirely during certain hours?<br>
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What if we disable the door button? During certain hours? To let a
guest in, you have to walk down to the street, greet them, and open
the door.<br><font color="#888888">
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On 09/20/2011 11:49 AM, Ronald Cotoni wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">I agree with rubin. This makes a lot of sense and
would completely solve this problem and prevent others. On nights
like 5 minutes of fame, we could just leave the doors open, if
neccessary. For other nights and times of the day we could just
let people in. I am a bit worried about doors near the elevator
since we would need to make sure the 2nd floor people can still
get to it and ensuring handicapped access. <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Rameen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:emprameen@gmail.com" target="_blank">emprameen@gmail.com</a>></span>
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I agree with Rubin, and a lot of other people. <br>
<br>
Moreover, I'm extremely impressed by everyone who is
presenting ideas and contributing. <br>
I think it's important to point out, this is a do-ocracy and
whatever physical alterations occur in the space, are
generally approved by the people who are regularly at the
space and actually do stuff. If not, those people tend to
un-do those things, because sometimes the public understands
what's good for itself. No one owns the space, but we all make
it to benefit each other, as well as ourselves. <br>
<br>
This entire thread is pretty astonishing to me. You guys are
amazing!<br>
<br>
I love Noisebridge a lot, and would be sad if it wasn't as
easy for others to access the space as I have been able to. I
probably wouldn't have been around to help found the delicious
Tastebridge, otherwise!<br>
<br>
I think we should implement some of the easier solutions, like
Rubin's simple (yet powerful) social approach. A change in
mentality, as someone sort-of pointed out, could be something
to consider-- don't leave your valuable things lying around in
a public space for anyone to pick up. It's less likely someone
is going to try to wheel your robot out of NB than a phone or
slender laptop, and it does happen, but be CAREFUL. Everyone
wants the space to be safe and open, but some extreme
instances of personal material loss shouldn't be cause to
change Noisebridge's radical acceptance policy. Even Jake, who
started this thread, has good solutions that won't necessarily
compromise a lot of the openness and public excellence that
DOES exist!<br>
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<div>On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Rubin
Abdi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rubin@starset.net" target="_blank">rubin@starset.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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$0.02<br>
<br>
At the old space, 83c, we had a front door. This door
was always locked<br>
on the outside. If someone rang the doorbell it was up
to someone inside<br>
to get up and let them in. In doing so they would meet
the person. It<br>
was great, until people didn't want to get up every 5
minutes to let<br>
people in. Some of us started handing out keys to
those who seemed smart<br>
and would come by often. Some of us gave out keys to
people we would<br>
meet traveling and seemed smart. This system worked
well, until we moved.<br>
<br>
In another life I worked at a video game store. Anyone
who's done retail<br>
knows the rule about greeting people. You try to say
hi to every single<br>
person who comes in through the front door before they
can have a chance<br>
to look at any merchandise or get to the front
counter, create dialog<br>
with them. All this not to help them with finding
whatever crap it was<br>
that they want, but to make them understand that
people working in the<br>
shop know they're present. It's the first step in loss
prevention, if<br>
you know someone's already spotted you coming through
the front door,<br>
the chances of you stealing something drastically goes
down. Think about<br>
it the next couple of times you walk into a retail
store, even the big<br>
ones will tend to have someone right at the door to
say hi to you.<br>
<br>
We're now at a new space. None of our doors really
have locks. We've got<br>
this crazy system that buzzes people in without ever
really having<br>
someone greet them, might as well just leave the gate
open 24/7. We are<br>
a public space. You walk in, make no social connection
to anyone there,<br>
the things in the space have no ties to anyone you've
met, they're up<br>
for the picking, you take what you want, you leave.<br>
<br>
Those of us here who've stolen goods (in a past life)
know this, this is<br>
how we think. It's harder to steal from an individual
than it is to<br>
steal from a faceless entity.<br>
<br>
In my opinion, lockers acknowledge that some people
feel there's a theft<br>
problem at Noisebridge, and they have to keep their
own personal crown<br>
jewels in a safe, much in the same way the good liquor
and cigarets are<br>
locked inside a glass case. They know theft is going
to happen, they<br>
just don't want it to happen to those things. Stuff
will still get stolen.<br>
<br>
I feel the right solution to this is to make thieves
understand what the<br>
space is, what people are doing in the space, and that
if they are here<br>
for theft, they are stealing from good people, people
active in the<br>
space. That they're aren't simply walking into a
nameless department<br>
store, they're walking into a community space filled
with people similar<br>
to them.<br>
<br>
My suggestion for a long while has been to get rid of
the automatic buzz<br>
in system, and to put in place locks to the door at
the top of the<br>
stairs and to door off the elevator room. Part of
being in the space is<br>
helping it out right? If people want to come in you
have to let them in.<br>
If you don't feel like letting people in, don't. The
notion of gifting a<br>
key to someone becomes more worth while again (the act
is very much a<br>
symbol outside of The Bay Area to people who still
haven't been to the<br>
space it's like gold, but since we buzz in everyone,
locals don't give a<br>
shit), because you trust that person enough to give
him/her a copy. When<br>
you hold a key, you understand who hold access to a
place that's<br>
accepted you to share it.<br>
<br>
In my experience, fixing social problems tend to last
longer and work<br>
stronger than creating physical workaround (which are
easier to break<br>
and hack, like lockers).<br>
<br>
But then again I've been preaching this fucking idea
for so long with no<br>
one really biting due to laziness to not really want
to getup and answer<br>
the door and a lack of social backbone to greet new
people coming into a<br>
space you share with your community, at this point I
suppose that I must<br>
be the one with the wrong ideas and concepts here and
that I really<br>
don't have any comprehension on how the mind of thief
works...<br>
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--<br>
Rubin<br>
<a href="mailto:rubin@starset.net" target="_blank">rubin@starset.net</a><br>
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