<div>The Friends of Noisebridge Wall is a good idea, and I would be willing to go on it.</div><div><br></div>As far as banhammers go: In my experience, when someone <font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Lucida Sans'"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">necessitates removal, it becomes obvious to a majority of the people in the space. Those people then talk about a plan. (Ask the person to stop doing whatever is disturbing everyone, try to help the disturbing person by talking about their issues, ask them to take a walk, or ask them to leave.) It is only when the person answers all attempts to communicate with threats or nonsense that we ask them not to come back until the meeting.</span></font><div>
<font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Lucida Sans'"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">I have never seen an instance where one person do-ocraticly banned another person until the next meeting, and it would bother me if I saw that start to happen.(we could see people escalating petty squabbles to meetings) Also, asking people to leave goes more smoothly when you have a group.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Lucida Sans'"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">As much as I am trying to discourage solo kicking, if someone is making you uncomfortable, please discuss it with people right away and try to reach a resolution. </span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Lucida Sans'"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Lucida Sans'"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">TLDR: Get help when banning.<br>
</span></font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Lucida Sans'"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><br></span></font><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Liz Henry <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:liz@bookmaniac.org">liz@bookmaniac.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hey there,<br>
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People have been talking about various ideas about banning and<br>
greylisting and being do-ocratic and so on. While I'm not up to<br>
summarizing all those conversations, I wanted to mention them on the<br>
list so they would be in public.<br>
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One idea that has come up is "greylisting" which probably needs a better<br>
name. Kick as opposed to "ban". The idea is that if people in the space<br>
end up asking a person to leave, they should ask them to leave and not<br>
come back until the next meeting night or to join the mailing list if<br>
they can't make the meeting. That would in theory function as a<br>
cooling-off period. This assumes that people aren't asking others to<br>
leave in trivial or annoying situations or in a bullying way, but doing<br>
it because of safety or people who are being extremely disruptive.<br>
People have been describing it as an option people should know is a<br>
possibility (not as a procedure that must be followed.)<br>
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It might be a good pattern if the people who did the do-ocratic<br>
greylisting (or temporary kicking out or asking to leave or whatever we<br>
end up calling it) identify themselves. To kick someone you are<br>
putting yourself on the line and if you do it all the time you might<br>
look like an authoritarian asshole (generally disapproved of at<br>
Noisebridge). Putting their own social credibility on the line should<br>
discourage people from kicking for frivolous reasons. In cases where<br>
people are afraid of direct retaliation or need to be private they will<br>
need to find proxies to do the kicking.<br>
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Another idea was making a sort of "welcome to noisebridge" wall or<br>
bulletin board that has people's photos, near the entrance. The idea has<br>
come up before. I think the point would be to represent people who want<br>
to identify themselves as part of Noisebridge, and that it might be<br>
welcoming or friendly (as well as useful to nerdy people who forget each<br>
others' names.)<br>
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Tonight I took a bunch of photos of people in the space, getting<br>
permission from them to print them and put them up on the wall in the<br>
entry area as Friends of Noisebridge. They might not be the best photos<br>
but I'll try to arrange them on the wall in a way that makes it clear<br>
that anyone can add new photos to it. I took photos of about 40 people<br>
tonight and think the Friends of Noisebridge wall will be pretty awesome.<br>
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I hope we can come up with guidelines or patterns/antipatterns that<br>
don't piss everyone off and that don't get applied stupidly or used as<br>
Rules or with the sort of self-important pearl-clutching scapegoating<br>
bullshit that lots of people are afraid might happen.<br>
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- lizzard<br>
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Liz Henry<br>
<a href="mailto:liz@bookmaniac.org">liz@bookmaniac.org</a><br>
<a href="http://bookmaniac.org" target="_blank">http://bookmaniac.org</a><br>
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evaluate; without peers, nearly impossible to speak." -- Joanna Russ<br>
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