If soldiers didn't fight, there wouldn't be a war.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Mike Schachter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mike@mindmech.com">mike@mindmech.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hey Jake, just to be clear, I don't have a problem with most of<br>
what you said, but there's this other side where people have<br>
friends and family that are in the military and are pretty invested<br>
in keeping their morale up and ultimately in their survival.<br>
<br>
There's nothing wrong with not wanting to contribute to the war<br>
in any way... but it's hard to do that when people you care<br>
about are over there. And if you look at demographics, the troops<br>
on the ground are far from a privileged class, and deserve at<br>
least some acknowledgement that they're there; because as<br>
a whole, our nation is apparently not concerned enough with<br>
the war to force an end to it. We're the problem Jake, not the<br>
soldiers.<br>
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On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Jake <<a href="mailto:jake@spaz.org">jake@spaz.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> gee thanks, i wish you would have said that onto the list, i'm getting<br>
> crucified over here, for suggesting that people should refuse to help kill<br>
> people in other countries.<br>
><br>
> -jake<br>
><br>
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2011, Jack Perkins wrote:<br>
><br>
>> While I don't know if I would have said what you said on the list,<br>
>> it's nice to hear someone saying it. Duncan's reply is the sort of<br>
>> bizarrely split rhetoric that you find so commonly here. People who<br>
>> believe the war is bad and generally wrong but continue support every<br>
>> action inside of it blindly.<br>
>><br>
>> -Jack<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Jake <<a href="mailto:jake@spaz.org">jake@spaz.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Will he be helping kill people out there? �I understand that the US<br>
>>> military has killed a lot of people in Afghanistan so far, and they have<br>
>>> shown no signs of ceasing to kill people.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I think killing people is very un-excellent. �I would never send<br>
>>> sunflower<br>
>>> seeds to someone who was killing people, or helping to kill people. �I<br>
>>> would certainly want to send sunflower seeds to someone who refused to<br>
>>> help kill people, like Bradley Manning did. �If your friend ends up like<br>
>>> Bradley Manning I will certainly apologize for having prejudged him.<br>
>>><br>
>>> The US government is spending $118,600,000,000.00 on the Afghanistan war<br>
>>> this year, I would think there would be enough money in that to buy<br>
>>> sunflower seeds and gatorade packets. �If it were up to me, i would end<br>
>>> the war in Afghanistan and spend the money on hiring teachers and bailing<br>
>>> out mortgages. �I think most people agree with me, but unfortunately<br>
>>> politicians continue to do what they want, and (most) soldiers continue<br>
>>> to<br>
>>> do what they're told.<br>
>>><br>
>>> -jake<br>
>>><br>
>>> Carl Sue theabcasian at <a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
>>> Sat Oct 29 18:27:17 PDT 2011<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hey Guys, we have a fellow hacker in Afghanistan who's about to go to a<br>
>>> foreword operating base in two weeks. I'm guessing its pretty bad for him<br>
>>> out there and I hear the FOB has no showers or hot food. I thought it<br>
>>> would be nice to send him a care package (or a few) to let him know he<br>
>>> has<br>
>>> community waiting for him to come back. If you want to participate I<br>
>>> think<br>
>>> wesley is sending something or you can use his address:<br>
>>><br>
>>> LCpl Pacer, Matthew J<br>
>>><br>
>>> RCT-5 DET A UNIT 40306<br>
>>><br>
>>> FPO AP 96427-0306<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> his current needs include foot powder, slim jims, sunflower seeds... any<br>
>>> food that will last 2+ months, DRINK MIXES like those crystal light or<br>
>>> gatorade packets he also likes arduino and will have a soldering iron at<br>
>>> the FOB.<br>
>>><br>
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