<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Hey Liz-�</div><div><br></div><div>Can I ask a favor? �I would really appreciate��your directly including me among your email's recipients when you communicate with me. �Thanks.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I really appreciate your response as it signals a major miscommunication. �I made two matter-of-fact statements highlighting the major cleaning that I've witnessed and, by omission, that which I have not. �</div>
<div><br></div><div>I feel frustrated and a bit attacked because you seem to have projected a lot more onto what I wrote than what is there. �You also seem to have made some flawed assumptions about me and my being a part of Noisebridge. �Those seem to be coloring your understanding of what I wrote and how I feel, not fair to either of us. �Further, those are now being perceived by others as being my feelings-- <i>which they are not.</i></div>
<div><br></div><div>My feeling resentful?? �<puzzled look> �No, that's not something I feel at towards Noisebridge, nor a sentiment I encounter often in my life in general. �It just is such a selfish, destructive emotion, such a "victim" thing, that brings no love into the world. �Thanksgiving and sharing and caring and creating are what spring to mind when I think of Noisebridge.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Wanting to be paid for what I considered just doing what I could to contribute to Noisebridge? �No, sorry but I've never felt that way or considered that. �Frankly, I can't understand how you would imagine I feel that way� �It's Noisebridge! �I love Noisebridge! �I'm just one among many who have kept the place clean and it has all been of my own joy & free will. �I will admit that I like to try and improve my surroundings and try to leave places at least 10% better than when I found them. �</div>
<div><br></div><div>Is there some experience you know of, of my "whining and acting like a dick" when cleaning? �I can't recall one, nor can others in the space I've asked about it. �Clearly, however, you have that view of me� which would be nice to reconcile. �</div>
<div><br></div><div>I am far from perfect, but I get the sense you really don't know me very well and/or haven't updated your initial impressions now that I've turned my situation around and settled. �I'm not feral, scared, and living on the street anymore worrying about where to sleep, stay dry, stay warm. �I have an apartment and am a kind, generous, caring human-being. �I'm kind, and I smile and laugh a lot. �I'm more wise than book-smart or street-smart; I'm very aware of what all I know and what I don't know. �I'm honest, I am fair, I don't lie, I don't steal. �I am strong, tenacious and �persevere. �Wrapped in hope and faith that "Way will show," I am love inside. �</div>
<div><br></div><div>How well do you know me? �I know I wish I knew you better and am slowly getting to know you more and more. �Disliking someone just because we've made up our mind not only colors our view and consumes unnecessary energy, but deprives us of opportunities and limits our growth.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Btw, lest your think otherwise, let me be clear: �I like you and think you're rather awesome �(which makes it so important to me to clear up this miscommunication). �Thank you.</div><div><br></div>
<div>Regarding the cleaners, I spoke with�Jurgen and he did see them in the space, answering my question. �However, as someone who was regularly in the space during that period of time, I noticed no particularly "cleaned" week over any other.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If Noisebridge does decide to continue with outside cleaners, �I think there are a couple ideas that will allow them to have a greater impact. �Many of these have been mentioned already and will, no doubt, be discussed this evening.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Peace.</div><div><br></div><div><br>On Nov 18, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Liz Henry <<a href="mailto:liz@bookmaniac.org">liz@bookmaniac.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<span>On 11/17/11 1:38 AM, Duncan wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Unless Wish or Cynthia were being paid, I don't think we've had cleaners.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<span>I know I wasn't paid.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Who be these cleaners, when did they show up, and what did they do? �Any</span><br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>witnesses?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>Here's some advice for you Duncan. �If you want to mop or clean out of </span><br>
<span>the goodness of your heart, but could use 10 bucks and are resentful </span><br><span>that you're working for no pay? �Do the work, then go around the space </span><br><span>and ask for a tip or personal donation for your efforts. ��You are free </span><br>
<span>to do that. �As everyone is.</span><br><span></span><br><span>If you are resentful that you cleaned sometimes, and that some random </span><br><span>cleaner crew came over once a month for the last 3 months to mop and </span><br>
<span>scrub the bathroom for pay because a meeting voted to experiment with </span><br><span>that, then, my advice is that you should not do things you are resentful </span><br><span>about. ��Hopefully you can parse that sentence.</span><br>
<span></span><br><span>More advice unasked for. �The more you try to stir shit up on the list, </span><br><span>and are confrontational while at the same time being both pedantic and </span><br><span>wrong, the more people will not like to help you, interact with you, and </span><br>
<span>so on at the space.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I can't take you seriously at all at this point. Especially after </span><br><span>reading your heinous and stupid emails to treasurer@nb about "torr". </span><br>
<span>(Someone needs to "accidentally" cc those to the whole list, btw.) </span><br><span>However, if you want to mop the floor and can manage to do it without </span><br><span>whining or acting like a total dick, feel free to ask me personally for </span><br>
<span>money and I will pay you for doing the chores.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>- Liz</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------</span><br>
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