<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Hey Liz- </div><div><br></div><div>Can I ask a favor? I would really appreciate your directly including me among your email's recipients when you communicate with me. Thanks.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I really appreciate your response as it signals a major miscommunication. I made two matter-of-fact statements highlighting the major cleaning that I've witnessed and, by omission, that which I have not. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I feel frustrated and a bit attacked because you seem to have projected a lot more onto what I wrote than what is there. You also seem to have made some flawed assumptions about me and my being a part of Noisebridge. Those seem to be coloring your understanding of what I wrote and how I feel, not fair to either of us. Further, those are now being perceived by others as being my feelings-- <i>which they are not.</i></div>
<div><br></div><div>My feeling resentful?? <puzzled look> No, that's not something I feel at towards Noisebridge, nor a sentiment I encounter often in my life in general. It just is such a selfish, destructive emotion, such a "victim" thing, that brings no love into the world. Thanksgiving and sharing and caring and creating are what spring to mind when I think of Noisebridge.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Wanting to be paid for what I considered just doing what I could to contribute to Noisebridge? No, sorry but I've never felt that way or considered that. Frankly, I can't understand how you would imagine I feel that way— It's Noisebridge! I love Noisebridge! I'm just one among many who have kept the place clean and it has all been of my own joy & free will. I will admit that I like to try and improve my surroundings and try to leave places at least 10% better than when I found them. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Is there some experience you know of, of my "whining and acting like a dick" when cleaning? I can't recall one, nor can others in the space I've asked about it. Clearly, however, you have that view of me— which would be nice to reconcile. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I am far from perfect, but I get the sense you really don't know me very well and/or haven't updated your initial impressions now that I've turned my situation around and settled. I'm not feral, scared, and living on the street anymore worrying about where to sleep, stay dry, stay warm. I have an apartment and am a kind, generous, caring human-being. I'm kind, and I smile and laugh a lot. I'm more wise than book-smart or street-smart; I'm very aware of what all I know and what I don't know. I'm honest, I am fair, I don't lie, I don't steal. I am strong, tenacious and persevere. Wrapped in hope and faith that "Way will show," I am love inside. </div>
<div><br></div><div>How well do you know me? I know I wish I knew you better and am slowly getting to know you more and more. Disliking someone just because we've made up our mind not only colors our view and consumes unnecessary energy, but deprives us of opportunities and limits our growth.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Btw, lest your think otherwise, let me be clear: I like you and think you're rather awesome (which makes it so important to me to clear up this miscommunication). Thank you.</div><div><br></div>
<div>Regarding the cleaners, I spoke with Jurgen and he did see them in the space, answering my question. However, as someone who was regularly in the space during that period of time, I noticed no particularly "cleaned" week over any other.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If Noisebridge does decide to continue with outside cleaners, I think there are a couple ideas that will allow them to have a greater impact. Many of these have been mentioned already and will, no doubt, be discussed this evening.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Peace.</div><div><br></div><div><br>On Nov 18, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Liz Henry <<a href="mailto:liz@bookmaniac.org">liz@bookmaniac.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<span>On 11/17/11 1:38 AM, Duncan wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Unless Wish or Cynthia were being paid, I don't think we've had cleaners.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<span>I know I wasn't paid.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Who be these cleaners, when did they show up, and what did they do? Any</span><br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>witnesses?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>Here's some advice for you Duncan. If you want to mop or clean out of </span><br>
<span>the goodness of your heart, but could use 10 bucks and are resentful </span><br><span>that you're working for no pay? Do the work, then go around the space </span><br><span>and ask for a tip or personal donation for your efforts. You are free </span><br>
<span>to do that. As everyone is.</span><br><span></span><br><span>If you are resentful that you cleaned sometimes, and that some random </span><br><span>cleaner crew came over once a month for the last 3 months to mop and </span><br>
<span>scrub the bathroom for pay because a meeting voted to experiment with </span><br><span>that, then, my advice is that you should not do things you are resentful </span><br><span>about. Hopefully you can parse that sentence.</span><br>
<span></span><br><span>More advice unasked for. The more you try to stir shit up on the list, </span><br><span>and are confrontational while at the same time being both pedantic and </span><br><span>wrong, the more people will not like to help you, interact with you, and </span><br>
<span>so on at the space.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I can't take you seriously at all at this point. Especially after </span><br><span>reading your heinous and stupid emails to treasurer@nb about "torr". </span><br>
<span>(Someone needs to "accidentally" cc those to the whole list, btw.) </span><br><span>However, if you want to mop the floor and can manage to do it without </span><br><span>whining or acting like a total dick, feel free to ask me personally for </span><br>
<span>money and I will pay you for doing the chores.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>- Liz</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------</span><br>
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