The plan will be to fix that with a barrier- probably an addition of whiteboards.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:44 AM, lilia <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:liliakai@gmail.com">liliakai@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I stopped by the space on my way to work today. I found the stuff from<br>
my shelf spread across three shelves and some stuff that I didn't<br>
recognize on my shelf. Let me know if you or anyone you know is<br>
missing big black windows media center laptop or a case of green-pak<br>
pipette tips.<br>
<br>
The member shelves are in two columns, forming a long member hallway<br>
between them. This makes one column protected and the other totally<br>
exposed to attack (casual observation/thievery) from the workspace<br>
side. I'm glad mine ended up on the protected side.<br>
<br>
I noticed that an ad-hoc wall was formed between the hack shelves and<br>
member shelves, so that the member hallway is only accessible from one<br>
end. The floor on closed-off side is full of random stuff, further<br>
reducing accessibility for members. Who does any of it belong to? Not<br>
much way to tell now.<br>
<br>
If you had stuff on your shelf that you cared about, I highly<br>
recommend checking on it.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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<br>
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Elijah Post <<a href="mailto:elijahpost@gmail.com">elijahpost@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Well hopefully everything will end positively. It's unfortunate that<br>
> communication wasn't more clear.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Gian Pablo Villamil <<a href="mailto:gian.pablo@gmail.com">gian.pablo@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Well, Miloh didn't hear about it, I didn't hear about it, and we're<br>
>> pretty well plugged in. I don't recall seeing it in any of the meeting<br>
>> notes, and I do read all of them. Seriously, if you're going to be<br>
>> moving people's stuff, you need at least a couple of rounds of "is it<br>
>> OK if we do this" type messages to the list.<br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Elijah Post <<a href="mailto:elijahpost@gmail.com">elijahpost@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > The idea of the the move is as follows:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > 1. Create space for a fab lab for the Sewing machines and the<br>
>> > Replicators to<br>
>> > have a good space. (Right now the replicators are in as bad a place as<br>
>> > they've ever been.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > 2. Make it so the member shelves are still protected and difficult for<br>
>> > non-members to get to.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Many people were talked to about this before the move started. In<br>
>> > addition I<br>
>> > do believe it was brought up at a meeting (although I was not there).<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 9:43 AM, jim <<a href="mailto:jim@well.com">jim@well.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I'm really glad to see this discussion.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> The downside of blind do-ocracy is lack of coordination.<br>
>> >> "Just do it" translates as "do as you please".<br>
>> >> For NB the notion of do-ocracy grew out of disgust with<br>
>> >> people talking about stuff and not doing anything.<br>
>> >> If what you're doing doesn't affect anyone else, please<br>
>> >> shut up and do it.<br>
>> >> If what you're doing might affect anyone else, please<br>
>> >> let them know what you plan to do before you do it.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> What's the basic point? Unfettered do-ocracy is<br>
>> >> indistinguishable from indulgence and inconsiderateness.<br>
>> >> To be considerate requires restraint, i.e. discipline,<br>
>> >> which is tough for children and childish personages.<br>
>> >> For the NB community's long term success, it's<br>
>> >> important that each of us think about possible<br>
>> >> consequences of our actions and actually talk to others.<br>
>> >> For that to happen, the community had better include<br>
>> >> consideration and talking to each other as one of our<br>
>> >> mantras.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Fri, 2012-01-13 at 08:46 -0800, Liz Henry wrote:<br>
>> >> > Did the people who use the craft/sewing area want this move to<br>
>> >> > happen?<br>
>> >> > What was the point here?<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > - Liz<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > On 1/13/12 7:18 AM, <a href="mailto:gian.pablo@gmail.com">gian.pablo@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
>> >> > > This sounds like such a bad idea. Who instigated this? If any of my<br>
>> >> > > stuff goes missing I am done with Noisebridge.<br>
>> >> > ><br>
>> >> > ><br>
>> >> > ><br>
>> >> > > On Jan 12, 2012, at 8:58 PM, gnnrok<<a href="mailto:gnnrok@gmail.com">gnnrok@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >> > ><br>
>> >> > >> Hey,<br>
>> >> > >><br>
>> >> > >> Visited noisebridge tonight, noticed people were moving the member<br>
>> >> > >> shelves over to the sewing area and the sewing area to the member<br>
>> >> > >> shelves area.<br>
>> >> > >><br>
>> >> > >> The space is pretty chaotic at the moment, stuff spread around and<br>
>> >> > >> chairs/tables clustered together near the electronics/wood working<br>
>> >> > >> areas.<br>
>> >> > >><br>
>> >> > >> It seems there might be some use for help with the project, and or<br>
>> >> > >> ideas about whether or not it's the right fit.<br>
>> >> > >><br>
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