<font><font face="georgia,serif">I'm curious as to what happened to Wish and her mayoral campaign. Exactly how did you played bad cop?<br><br><br></font></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 5:17 PM, rachel lyra hospodar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p>I am happy to play bad cop, as I have done with Wish (crazy person running a mayoral campaign out of NB) and Rob 2.0 (who I confronted many times, once at 3am) and Jorgen (due to behavior best discussed off-list) and 2 or 3 occupy folks that I already knew. All you gotta do is talk to me about specific problematic individuals. Since rising property values cost me my warehouse in soma, I have moved to east bay and am not around as much to notice on my own which people are problems.</p>
<p>Since I am part of occupy, I will be doocratically taking action there as well. I suspect the problem, though, is that assholes append themselves to any social group willing to tolerate them. Don't blame occupy, and maybe when people visit 2169 they won't blame noisbridge.</p>
<p>Hold individuals accountable for their actions, and hack the surrounding culture in order to influence those actions.<br></p>
<p>R.</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 14, 2012 2:17 PM, "Wladyslaw Zbikowski" <<a href="mailto:embeddedlinuxguy@gmail.com" target="_blank">embeddedlinuxguy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Fact: a number of annoying non-hackers are semi-living at the space,<br>
and have stated to me their belief they are entitled to do this<br>
because of Occupy. I have invited some of these folks to tonight's<br>
meeting so they can get on the same page as the rest of Noisebridge.<br>
Rachel, I would appreciate it if you could personally disabuse them of<br>
this notion and explain the purpose of a hacker space, since you "talk<br>
their language".<br>
<br>
Fact: s/Occupy/Tastebridge/<br>
<br>
Live long and prosper.<br>
<br>
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 4:40 PM, rachel lyra hospodar<br>
<<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com" target="_blank">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I have been making suggestions on how to begin dealing, as a group, in the<br>
> emails I have been writing. They are not prescriptive, but suggestive and<br>
> open-ended, in the hopes of soliciting opinions, feedback, and further input<br>
> from the community. If you didn't notice, because of the way many of us<br>
> look for fully-baked answers to be handed out without any input, well, maybe<br>
> you should go reread my messages and think about the ideas I put into them,<br>
> and the directions I suggest.<br>
><br>
> An approach to problem solving that happens on this list all the time, that<br>
> I see you modeling here, is sort of problematic. You are stating a<br>
> prescriptive solution to a communal problem, and then creating a conceptual<br>
> framework where what you have proposed is a communal solution. Individuals<br>
> who make proposals should be ready to have their ideas incorporated into a<br>
> giant meta-idea that is made by synthesizing EVERYONE's ideas, not just one<br>
> person's...unless there is natural and automatic support for that one idea.<br>
> You know what's harder than having an idea? Working out an idea that<br>
> everyone agrees to. You know what would create the sense of community<br>
> support you are seeking? Working out an idea that everyone agrees to.<br>
><br>
> This particular idea is actually, to my mind, counterproductive, because it<br>
> creates a false sense of permanent solution to a problem that is in fact<br>
> perennial. Also, it creates guidelines that we are committing to<br>
> selectively follow. Like the sit/lie law. Which is lame.<br>
><br>
> Also the occupy website team meets at noisebridge, and anyone who doesn't<br>
> like it can go suck an egg.<br>
><br>
> Love you jake!<br>
><br>
> <3<br>
> R.<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://mediumreality.com" target="_blank">mediumreality.com</a><br>
><br>
> On Feb 14, 2012 1:10 PM, "Jake" <<a href="mailto:jake@spaz.org" target="_blank">jake@spaz.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I look forward to hearing your suggestions on ways of dealing with the<br>
>> problems.<br>
>><br>
>> I still think my idea is great but i am disappointed that more people<br>
>> don't understand how it works. If people belong at noisebridge they will<br>
>> not be at all discouraged by our policy of No Occupy Allowed.<br>
>><br>
>> What's the first rule of fight club? Same thing with occupy. If you meet<br>
>> buddha on the road, kill him. If someone comes to noisebridge and says<br>
>> they're "from occupy" kill them. If they are there to hack, instead of<br>
>> killing them you can encourage them to drop the "occupy" tagline because we<br>
>> have trauma associated with that.<br>
>><br>
>> You said yourself that we need to meet these challenges with hackerlike<br>
>> creativity. I think that if everyone who is being a dick is also<br>
>> identifying as being "from occupy" then a simple solution is to "ban<br>
>> occupy".<br>
>><br>
>> and that is step one toward uniting out community to back each other up<br>
>> onto a mutually-agreed concept.<br>
>><br>
>> -jake<br>
>><br>
>>> Jake, I think this suggestion stinks. I am surprised you even made it.<br>
>>> That<br>
>>> guy was being a jerk, which is already not allowed. Why attempt to bar a<br>
>>> highly relevant political movement, which you support, instead of just<br>
>>> telling dicks to stop being dicks?<br>
>>><br>
>>> I think a lot of what people are seeking in these various conflict<br>
>>> situations, is a sense of the community backing you up.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Dude.<br>
>>><br>
>>> It backs you up when someone is being lousy, regardless of whether they<br>
>>> come<br>
>>> from Free School or Occupy or whatever scruffy group of people find us<br>
>>> next. Banning Free School wouldn't have saved us from Occupy, and<br>
>>> banning<br>
>>> Occupy wouldn't save us from assholes. It would save us from helping save<br>
>>> the world from capitalism. If it helps we can set up a page on the<br>
>>> Occupy<br>
>>> website about noisebridge, and not being lame. Then if you need backup<br>
>>> against dicks from occupy, you can show them a page on their own website<br>
>>> saying not to be dicks.<br>
>>><br>
>>> R.<br>
>>><br>
>>> <a href="http://mediumreality.com" target="_blank">mediumreality.com</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Feb 13, 2012 4:20 PM, "Kelly" <<a href="mailto:hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com" target="_blank">hurtstotouchfire@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> I think that occupiers who want to hack things should check in<br>
>>> with<br>
>>> the Hackupy group: <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Hackupy" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Hackupy</a> who<br>
>>> seem<br>
>>> to have the potential to do occupy work excellently. Do we have<br>
>>> a<br>
>>> contact person for that contingent?<br>
>>><br>
>>> -Kelly<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 16:17, Matt Joyce <<a href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com" target="_blank">matt@nycresistor.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>> > If you ban occupiers don't they just camp wherever you banned<br>
>>> them from?<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Jake <<a href="mailto:jake@spaz.org" target="_blank">jake@spaz.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> >> There have been a few over-the-top assholes staking their<br>
>>> claim to be at<br>
>>> >> noisebridge lately, who are saying that they are welcome<br>
>>> because they are<br>
>>> >> "occupy"<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> I propose that we ban Occupy from noisebridge. That way,<br>
>>> assholes who use<br>
>>> >> physical intimidation against people questioning why they're<br>
>>> at<br>
>>> >> Noisebridge will have one less "reason" besides puffing<br>
>>> themselves up like<br>
>>> >> a rooster.<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> Please don't troll in response to this post. Yes I do<br>
>>> understand that we<br>
>>> >> have met many excellent hackers through occupy, but those<br>
>>> people are smart<br>
>>> >> enough to wink when asked if we should "ban occupy" from<br>
>>> noisebridge.<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> Do you have a story to share about an asshole claiming to be<br>
>>> from "occupy"<br>
>>> >> who is trying to occupy noisebridge in a bad way?<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> -jake<br>
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