<div class="gmail_extra">Hah, me? I expected my response might not be received as I intended it. I'll gladly clarify anything as needed. I hate how much our government has abused basic human rights. I only wanted to clarify for people that skipped the article that this didn't seem to be an example of that, because that was my original thought until I read it. Which was probably an unnecessary clarification (and the government sure doesn't need defending), but I don't really see superfluous comments necessarily as "batshit insane".<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Matt Joyce <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com" target="_blank">matt@nycresistor.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Wow. You sir are batshit insane. I love it.<br>
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On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Jake <<a href="mailto:jake@spaz.org">jake@spaz.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2012, Taylor Alexander wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Well, its an interesting article about Android's security. I would agree<br>
>> that the ideal security situation would be if Google was unable to provide<br>
>> access to that information. But then the government would probably<br>
>> introduce<br>
>> and pass a bill that simply made doing that illegal. That would be<br>
>> interesting...<br>
><br>
><br>
> the government already walks a fine line of passing unenforceable laws and<br>
> thus diluting its credibility. There are probably already laws<br>
> criminalizing the use of such encryption that we have forgotten about, and<br>
> which the government wisely avoids mention of because they reveal quite<br>
> starkly that the emperor wears no clothes.<br>
><br>
> Witness the story of Josh Wolf, a bay area anarchist who had shot video of a<br>
> protest at which a police officer was hit on the head. The court sought<br>
> prosecution and persecution to a level they would have never mobilized for a<br>
> mere citizen, because this was an affront to their authority. They wanted<br>
> Josh Wolf to provide all unreleased footage and testify to the grand jury<br>
> answering any questions they had (although presumably stopping at the fifth<br>
> amendment) and, being an anarchist, he simply refused.<br>
><br>
> they put him in jail for contempt of court, for nine months i think, hoping<br>
> they would break him with their mighty authority. But eventually it became<br>
> clear that they had no power over him, and his lawyers showed that the<br>
> imprisonment would not compel his cooperation and was purely punitive, and<br>
> since he had been convicted of nothing he was released.<br>
><br>
> a perfect example of the state overreaching its authority, which ultimately<br>
> flows only, in the words of Mao, from the barrel of a gun.<br>
><br>
><br>
>><br>
>> As far as whether or not it was right for the government to request that<br>
>> information, there are a few facts in the article that made me worry less<br>
>> about this particular incident.<br>
>><br>
>> The guy was a convicted felon on parole when this happened; he had been<br>
>> practicing as a pimp and according to her testimony had on at least one<br>
>> occasion convinced a 15 year old homeless girl to work for him, taking all<br>
>> of her profits and eventually beating the crap out of her when she started<br>
>> speaking to someone that promised to help her from that situation. After<br>
>> beating her up he forced her into his trunk and drove her somewhere else<br>
>> in<br>
>> the area, then left her outside "bleeding and bruised".<br>
>><br>
>> He was sentenced to prison for several years, and once out violated his<br>
>> parole several times and was sent to jail for a year and a half. Once out<br>
>> he<br>
>> signed away his 4th amendment rights (and interesting part of how we do<br>
>> things here, but as long as he gets them back after parole is over I feel<br>
>> like I'm ok with that for certain convictions like violent crimes), and<br>
>> was<br>
>> under surveillance when they noticed he appeared to be pimping again using<br>
>> the Android phone in question.<br>
>><br>
>> So basically - in this particular case it looks like our laws were doing a<br>
>> good job protecting us from scumbags, which they are meant to do. However,<br>
>> it would be more reassuring if Google was unable to help the police,<br>
>> simply<br>
>> because we could rest assured that their job would be harder when they<br>
>> *were* trying to abuse innocent people's rights.<br>
>><br>
>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Ben Kochie <<a href="mailto:superq@gmail.com">superq@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> I think there have been other law enforcement requests for this<br>
>> and<br>
>> Google did say basically that.<br>
>><br>
>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 13:52, Jake <<a href="mailto:jake@spaz.org">jake@spaz.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > i think it would be ideal if Google could honestly answer, "we<br>
>> do not have<br>
>> > the ability to unlock a phone which has been locked that way,<br>
>> sorry."<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Sat, 21 Apr 2012, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> >> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Ben Kochie<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:superq@gmail.com">superq@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> The funny part is, the feds are still not going to get the<br>
>> password to<br>
>> >>> unlock the device. Have fun with that hashed password.<br>
>> Google's not<br>
>> >>> stupid enough to store user passwords in plain text.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Sure, but I would presume someone there can grant a session<br>
>> token or<br>
>> >> somehow respond affirmatively to an authentication request<br>
>> from this<br>
>> >> phone, so as to get it to unlock without the password.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Still -- what a weird situation.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> --j<br>
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