Cynthia also stated that the police were called when she was at the ACLU as well. <div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>Rayc<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Nihilistik Punk <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nihilistikpunk@gmail.com" target="_blank">nihilistikpunk@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear NBers,<br><br>OMG! Cynthia's talking about the Texas medical profession again! Will can't stand it, and sought to help everybody by getting rid of her.<br>
<br>I know this will arrive too late to help Cynthia at tonight's meeting. But if Noisebridge really sought to be help the community as it claims, let some of you read this and discuss it at the meeting.<br>
<br>I know I can trust Rayc or Kelly to put the item up on the screen to make it easier to read, and add it to the Meeting notes, to which I am now submitting this.<br><br>He's totally disinterested, cuz he's not involved with Texas business at all. Oh wait, now he says he is!<br>
<br>I think this new incident, provoked by Will, requires comment. So if you can't handle a few more lines than in the usual NB-discuss item, well, the lower playground awaits you. Those of us who care, will read it, and consider what Will's action means for us.<br>
<br>So finally, when the police didn't agree to remove her with their muscle, Cynthia agreed to leave on her own volition. Chalk up another victory for Noisebridge do-acratic activism, <i>au</i> Will.<br><br>Apparently a lot of guys thought it was time to put Cynthia in her place. Did you know one of the earnest Noisebridgers already accused her of being a <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/85#Cynthia" target="_blank">damn commie</a>? That was on the<a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/85#Cynthia" target="_blank"> apparently-defunct Noisebridge/wiki '85' page</a>, which if you're one of those who need elaborate codings spelled out for you, means 85 = 86-1 ="We're only one rung short of trying to 86 her butt from our choice spot."<br>
<br>Of course, he didn't say how or why she was a communist. He just indicated she dug communists, or tried to fellate J-Stalin, or thought they were cool or something.<br><br>It's where some of the NB earnest put up names of people they didn't like and discussed why and how they might be able to get rid of them. Many of the people listed here have, indeed, been removed from NB.<br>
<br>Eventually, somebody removed the "85" page from the NB wiki. That was about, oh, 7 or 8 weeks ago. Most of the names on it, went up in the preceding 2 months, largely against suspected Occupyers who were not thought to be hacking hard enough.<br>
<br>The strongest accusations against Cynthia on the page seem to be that she has "non-traditional" and "unusual" opinions. They admit that she does like science, though.<br><br>You can view the "85" page in question right <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/85#Cynthia" target="_blank">here</a>.<br>
<br>Will's pretty clear that other people have given him the lowdown on stories about Cynthia. Which is why he got some guys to come over and help him in his ejection of her. <br><br>Notable quotes from Will:<span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
<br>(In response to Liz's comment (</span><i>"...and yet you haven't said why you asked her to leave," </i>Will said:<i>) "</i><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I find Cynthia annoying, but by itself that's not enough; Jesse and I were both there when she came in, and we'd bo</span>th heard enough about stuff Cynthia had done that we felt comfortable making the call."<br>
<pre style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">So Cynthia came in, and you figured you could get rid of her, and then you asked Jesse to help you do so. However, you don't say Cynthia did anything<br>at that time to warrant being asked to leave; you just thought it was time to do it.<br>
<br>"I said (to the police, whom Will had called and who finally arrived after about an hour and a half) I would sign for the citizens arrest for
trespassing"<br><br>So, the reason Will offers us for this action is, both he <i>and </i>Jesse had "heard enough about stuff Cynthia had done." It was this "stuff" that made him feel "comfortable"<br>
in "making the call." <br><br>Then he called the police.<br><br>Comment:<br> <br> Using the "citizen's arrest order," with which I am sure every regular citizen is familiar, is exactly how the San Francisco Catholic Archdiocese just evicted some Occupiers who were squatting in one of their long-unused buildings. The police told them the Occupyers would stay unless they "sign for the "citizens arrest for trespassing." The Archdiocese accomodated them and the police ejected the Occupyers.<br>
I'm familiar with the Citzen's arrest procedure, and am just as eager to employ it on the bad guys as anybody. But the specific language, now we gotta have "to sign <i>for</i> the <br>citizen's arrest order" indicates the use of our citizens power over others here has reached an even higher level.<br>
To that we can only say, "Check Will S., signing for the Citizen's Arrest Order for the police! Woohooo!"<br><br>More notable quotes:<br><br>Ronald Cotoni: "bout time".<br><br>Ever Falling: "It's all a conspiracy, Cynthia."<br>
<br>To Ever Falling: I guess since you're hiding behind a handle, it's okay for you to direct contemptuous, provocative statements against a person whom your cohorts <br>are trying to convince us, needs psychological help. I guess you're only guilty of a lapse in judgment - because provoking people you think are crazy is, of course, self-destructive, but I'm sure you already know that.) But your insulting tone doesn't belong here, and I wish you'd take it somewhere else.<br>
<br>Comment: It is common knowledge to those who know her, that Cynthia objects to certain certain practices in the Texas medical profession (a.k.a.,
business). She has spent a lot of time<br>looking for representation to help her in her fight. I am not clear on the details, but she has never communicated anything to me along these lines<br>other than a sincere desire to improve things for others. She doesn't speak in hostile tones, or violently, about anyone.
.<br>That's more than can be said for the bulk of the people using discuss to criticize Cynthia. In fact, I haven't seen such snide, hateful comments <br>directed at someone I know for a long time.<br></pre>Matt Joyce again, to Cynthia: "As a native Texan who has worked for corporations involved in
government work, I find your positions on medical issues to be wholly
irrelevant to my belief that you are in..." blah blah blah. <br><br>Comment: Y'know Matt, the fact that you've worked for Texas coporations with backroom government deals, really doesn't make a very convincing case that you're unbiased in this issue. I just have a couple of questions for you, sir.<br>
<br>Have you ever been in bed with a Texas business Titan? <br><br>Have you ever done business with anybody against whom Cynthia is taking legal action? Have you talked with any of these business colleagues about her?<br>
<br>You say you're just concerned that Cynthia needs help that Noisebridge can't provide. Cynthia, however, has not asked us for any of that kind of help. Unless you're concealing something about your educational and social background from the rest of us Noisebridgers, you are not a psychiatrist or psychological professional. So you, a wanna be shrink, or making judgment calls about people like Cynthia, to the point of calling the police, and trying to enlist their support in kicking people you don't like out.<br>
<br>In closing, note that the police did not forcibly remove Cynthia. She left voluntarily. Nor did they accept any "citizen's arrest order." It isn't even clear, Matt, that they asked you to sign any such order. In fact, they might have just as easily been thinking, <b>"<i>W</i><i>ho the fuck is this egotistic Texas-business-Titan-wannabe prick, and why is he using the SFPD to push people around for him? I'm not getting paid for this shit!</i> <i>Fuck him!</i>" </b><br>
<br>Given how you chose to involve other people in your plan to remove Cynthia, It's not clear that you care about calmly resolving thise issue to everyone's satisfaction. Cynthia has publicly stated she requested our NB mediation process. But you have decided to ignore this process and go straight to trying to intimidate her into leaving.<br>
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Matt, it's clear you don't feel you want to go through the hassle of the
mediation process. You've decided it's time to just take matters into
your own hands and kick out people you don't like.<br><br>She indicates you don't respect her work with Tastebridge. <br><br>Also, Cynthia indicates she felt intimidated by the "three men" who accosted her and demanded that she leave.<br>
<br>Being a colleague of Texas businesses involved with government work, I guess it's hard for you to see how your approach might actually raise the level of conflict and alarm in the situation, rather than reduce it and peacefull resolve the issue. Oh wait, maybe it's not hard for you to see that at all. <br>
<br>Ever Falling: If Will planned to 86 Cynthia, then he did, indeed, conspire against her. If he's not planning to remove you, then he's not conspiring against you. Do you understand? The more you try, the happier you will be.<br>
<br>I am not happy with the process used by these individuals to remove Cynthia. Since I think her help with Tastebridge, and taking out the recycling, is indeed a project, is indeed trying to help improve ways for us to enjoy cooking, then it is indeed hacking, and is in fact a huge help to us at NB, <br>
<br>No, I don't care to describe how open-minded I am about Will's actions. I'm sure some will note how pro-Will I am and seek to criticize me for it, and that kind of thing might hurt my feelings.<br><br>I must go. As you can tell from my profile foto, it is time for us legions to consume Nazi brains.<br>
<br>Sincerely,<br><br>nihilistikpunk<br><br>
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