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The "Cynthia Debacle" (as you're calling it) was a series of actions
taken by individuals. If you disagree with those actions, you should
communicate that to the specific people involved. They are not
hiding their identities, and are readily accessible both by email
and in the space itself.<br>
<br>
I think it's fine to disagree with what they did, though I do not.
However, I think emailing "the list" instead of the specific people
is unexcellent.<br>
<br>
--Casey<br>
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On 5/3/12 7:14 PM, Tony Longshanks LeTigre wrote:
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cite="mid:CAHLAvJSfTmya9GGaXXNcMC94c8EYenDNCns0_s_eD1BrGtFddw@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Although I wasn't @ NB on the day in question, I tend
to agree w/ the negative reviews of the Cynthia debacle, and have
had the feeling lately that some people seem to be on a weird
power kick with targeting the next person to evict from the space.
This isn't "Survivor: Hackerspace." Cynthia needed help, but she
was never someone I felt so threatened by that I wanted her
removed by the police.<br>
<br>
TLLT<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Flatline
<span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:flatline@hackbloc.org" target="_blank">flatline@hackbloc.org</a>></span>
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I agree completely with this. Calling the cops unnecessarily
does a<br>
FUCK of a lot more to make noisebridge an unsafe space than
having a few<br>
wingnuts around. It makes many people feel unsafe in the space
including<br>
myself. Say what you want about Cynthia (and believe me I
have plenty<br>
to say) she never made me feel unsafe. This action does.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Flatline<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.hackbloc.org"
target="_blank">http://www.hackbloc.org</a><br>
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On 05/03/2012 03:21 PM, Jake wrote:<br>
> Say what you want about Cynthia not belonging at
noisebridge; she wasn't<br>
> here to hack, she could be annoying at times.<br>
><br>
> The fact is that the kicking out of cynthia has been
a huge drama fest and<br>
> makes noisebridge look bad. I think it was not worth
it.<br>
><br>
> My friend Stan who has been hacking since before most
of us were born<br>
> resembles cynthia in some ways; an old person who
enjoys talking and<br>
> cooking more than hacking. He is also the admin of
the SPAZ server. He<br>
> comes to noisebridge and sometimes cooks gourmet food
for everyone.<br>
><br>
> He has been involved and witness to MANY collectively
run spaces, like the<br>
> Cannery and Project One and a bunch we've never heard
of.<br>
><br>
> And he says this is a BAD SIGN for noisebridge.<br>
><br>
> Let's pull out of this nose-dive.<br>
><br>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:01:36 -0700<br>
> From: Stan Osborne <stan at ana dot com><br>
> Subject: NB craziness<br>
><br>
> Jake,<br>
><br>
> If this is true, I can not justify supporting NB
anymore. I know<br>
> everything she says about her behavior at NB and her
general cleanliness<br>
> is true. She is an MD and has at least one science
degree, so AFAIK there<br>
> are many good reasons for her continued presence at
NB. Not being<br>
> financially able to be a full member now seems to
have saved me from<br>
> regretting I gave them much, if any money. IMHO her
mental health was<br>
> improving from contact at NB with healthy and
intelligent people.<br>
><br>
> NB now is already falling into one of those
collectives where a few<br>
> evil people are working to drive out the rest. Many
collectives<br>
> have withered and failed for reasons such as this
incident.<br>
><br>
> Is there any documentation showing exactly who ganged
up on her?<br>
><br>
> Stan<br>
><br>
> | To: Stan Osborne <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:stan@ana.com">stan@ana.com</a>><br>
> | From: cynthia lee <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cynthia.jeanne.lee@gmail.com">cynthia.jeanne.lee@gmail.com</a>><br>
> | Subject: Re: when u gonna show?<br>
> | Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 13:52:57 -0700<br>
> |<br>
> | Stan, You must not have a current source
there...i was kicked out of<br>
> | Noisebridge by a band of vigilantes who called
the police to say i was<br>
> | trespassing and disruptive (apparently for coming
in and cleaning up after<br>
> | them!) because they really had no substantive
complaint (a vague that I am<br>
> | smelly, messy, and, get this...loud) they are so
vague on the complaints<br>
> | that it is suspicious for made -up stuff<br>
> | I can't be there tomorrow but would like to run
into you anyway. I can<br>
> | check Internet tomorrow AM and if there is
another location I can see u at,<br>
> | let me know<br>
> |<br>
> | thank you for all the assistance and friendliness
u have shown me<br>
> |<br>
> | --<br>
> | Cynthia Jeanne Lee MD<br>
> | <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://cynthiajeanneleemd.wordpress.com"
target="_blank">http://cynthiajeanneleemd.wordpress.com</a><br>
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