Seriously, trolling is ridiculous in this day and age. Why waste the energy of yourself or another person when you could be creating something. <div><br></div><div>ONLY HACKING & NO TROLLING!</div><div>Cheers</div><div>
Rayc<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Ronald Cotoni <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:setient@gmail.com" target="_blank">setient@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
more hacking, less trolling.<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Mitch Altman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:maltman23@hotmail.com" target="_blank">maltman23@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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No need to feed the trolls. But feel free, if you enjoy such things.<br>
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> From: <a href="mailto:jeffreyatw@gmail.com" target="_blank">jeffreyatw@gmail.com</a><br>
> Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 11:01:27 -0700<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:camhkt@gmail.com" target="_blank">camhkt@gmail.com</a><br>
> CC: <a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Who's In Charge of Noisebridge?<br>
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> Sorry to be so blunt, but are you for real?<br>
><br>
> I mean, your name is Cameron HACKett and I don't see any mention of<br>
> you anywhere online, and you chime in pretty much during the time<br>
> where this list is most embroiled in a discussion about whether the<br>
> non-conventional-hackers should be kicked out.<br>
><br>
> It's also quite obvious that, due to the place being open to everyone,<br>
> you'll encounter some intense personalities. If you couldn't hack on<br>
> the couches, or at the kitchen, you could have moved to the<br>
> Hackitorium area, Turing, and Church. Plenty of room for all,<br>
> especially when a class isn't in session. If you're looking for the<br>
> "real hackers," attend a class or the Tuesday member meeting (open to<br>
> all).<br>
><br>
> I'm usually the last person to don the tinfoil hat, but I smell a troll.<br>
><br>
> Jeffrey<br>
><br>
> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Cameron Hackett <<a href="mailto:camhkt@gmail.com" target="_blank">camhkt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 10:53 PM, William Sargent <<a href="mailto:will.sargent@gmail.com" target="_blank">will.sargent@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> There's around 40 members, and a number of people that donate without<br>
> >> membership. Membership dues are $80 a month, although there are "starving<br>
> >> hacker" and "benevolent patron" options. Noisebridge costs $160 a day to<br>
> >> run.<br>
> >><br>
> >> As for the why; well, Noisebridge is a fun place to hack. If you think<br>
> >> about how much you would spend at a cafe, a tech shop, a library or at a<br>
> >> co-working facility (or even going out for drinks over a month), Noisebridge<br>
> >> isn't that big of an expense. I also Borderlands Cafe, Mechanics Library,<br>
> >> Citizen Space / Parisoma... but Noisebridge benefits strangers.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Noisebridge seems like a great place to hack!<br>
> ><br>
> > However, the second or third time I came by, I blocked out several hours to<br>
> > settle into my terminal and work on open-sourcing a library I make for work.<br>
> > But it wasn't 30 or some odd minutes into working, when someone on the same<br>
> > couch insisted that they *needed* to stretch out their legs over where I was<br>
> > sitting. She claimed it was her arthritis that was bothering her.<br>
> > No big deal, I figured, I can move elsewhere -- especially for someone who's<br>
> > not feeling well. But just 15 or so minutes later, she was lying there with<br>
> > another boy, using the couch for their snogging activities! What the heck?<br>
> > They appeared to just be there to hang out and read. Nothing wrong with<br>
> > that, I suppose.<br>
> ><br>
> > Sitting on one of the stools by the kitchen, I was booted again by a cooking<br>
> > group that wanted the space.<br>
> ><br>
> > As an outside visitor, I didn't really feel comfortable asserting myself and<br>
> > saying no.<br>
> ><br>
> > It seems like the most socially manipulative people get control of most of<br>
> > the physical resources at Noisebridge, as most of the geeks of the technical<br>
> > inclination seem too polite to bother wasting their time defending<br>
> > themselves instead of actual... hacking.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > My impression is that somehow Noisebridge has turning into more of a<br>
> > flophouse than a hackerspace. At any given time when I've visited, there<br>
> > seem to be about 10 - 25% of people working on something technical,<br>
> > surrounded by many others sitting around reading on the computer, cooking,<br>
> > sewing, or engaged in some non-technical pursuit.<br>
> ><br>
> > Is there an actual hackerspace in San Francisco somewhere? I was hoping to<br>
> > find something similar to the environment I've found around the world at<br>
> > places like NTC Resistor, Metalab, Pumping Station One, Crash Space, etc.<br>
> > Where are all the real hackers at?<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Will.<br>
> >><br>
> >> On May 5, 2012, at 10:39 PM, Cameron Hackett wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> > I'm a little new to Noisebridge, and I still just don't understand how<br>
> >> > this works. Is Noisebridge organized by anyone? Who's in charge?<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > It seems like the place is totally open to anyone on a drop-in basis for<br>
> >> > free. But, who pays for the rent then?<br>
> >> > I get the sense that the freeloading visitors are much more numerous<br>
> >> > than the paying members, but it's hard to tell what the ratio is.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > I guess I'm just curious why people continue to put in what I would<br>
> >> > presume is a lot of money into a system that tends to benefit strangers.<br>
> >> > Sounds like charity.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Thanks,<br>
> >> > Cam<br>
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