Note: I've just donated $10 to noisebridge for adding to this whole discussion.<br><br>I've thought about it, I don't have a good solution. But I am really disturbed by the non-stop do-ocratic bannings.<br><br>
Frankly, I'm considering do-ocratically inviting Cynthia back into the space (even though I am annoyed by her). I am definitely going to try to make it tonight to block on this until it's further discussed.<br><br>
When "do-ocratic banning" was first used it was in the context of someone that was actively harrassing people and being violent. Noisebridge is not a homeless shelter, but I don't think we should lightly discard radical inclusion. There are a million other ways to handle the situation with someone who at least cleans the kitchen. If push comes to shove, I'll be willing to mediate. <br>
<br>This issue isn't going to go away, and I don't think introducing blanket bans or trying to make sophmoric attempts to "define hacking" is going to work. These things have to be a human call, and consensus is there for situations just like this so people can argue over shit...<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Alan Rockefeller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alanrockefeller@gmail.com" target="_blank">alanrockefeller@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
There is a bit of confusion about Cynthia.<div><br></div><div>The problem is that she is not a hacker, she is a homeless person who uses the noisebridge kitchen.</div><div><br></div><div>This would be fine if it was just a day or 2, but she was showing up nearly every day for a year.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Do we want homeless people who have no kitchen to use the noisebridge kitchen?</div><div><br></div><div>Cynthia is a nice person and I have had only positive interactions with her. She is a little crazy, but never in a bad or unsafe way.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Some people think that Noisebridge should only be for hackers. Other people think that Noisebridge is for everyone.</div><div><br></div><div>I see it both ways. If we let all homeless people in SF use the kitchen, it would be very crowded. And not in a good way.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I am fine with non-hackers coming to noisebridge occasionally, but they shouldn't be there too often. When they do show up every day and hack nothing, I sometimes ask them to come around less often.</div>
<div><br></div><div>When non-hackers show up to noisebridge once a week or less, that is cool. When they show up every day for many hours, I get annoyed at them and ask them what they are working on, implying that they should be working on something.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Calling the police on her was bad, but what were they supposed to do - admit defeat? I would have admitted defeat, but I understand why they didn't.</div><div><br></div><div>I have tried to kick people out of noisebridge before. 9 times out of 10 they leave. When they say "no, I am not leaving..." I say ok, and go do something else. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I can think of 2 other people who are rather Cynthia-like. I don't know what to do about them. I like both those people, but I think they come to noisebridge too often.<br><br></div><div>The fact that none of these people are bad folks complicates the problem.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>We could make a policy about this. Or we could keep doing what we are doing, let people do-ocratically decide. What we have been doing does work - There were about 60 people at noisebridge last night and all of them were awesome. Kicking people out isn't fun or fair and I don't like doing it, but occasionally I do because Noisebridge is not a homeless shelter.</div>
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