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fwiw, she is not a homeless as in 'lives under a bridge'. She lives
in a shelter or sro. Don't know whether that changes anyone's
definition.<br>
-Claudia <br>
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On 5/8/2012 6:42 PM, Praveen Sinha wrote:
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cite="mid:CAMdK6uwcq7WsEB8oUWYizQnznOxZ2OMf=uQAfWLL7WjPGZjFTg@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Note: I've just donated $10 to noisebridge for adding
to this whole discussion.<br>
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I've thought about it, I don't have a good solution. But I am
really disturbed by the non-stop do-ocratic bannings.<br>
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Frankly, I'm considering do-ocratically inviting Cynthia back into
the space (even though I am annoyed by her). I am definitely
going to try to make it tonight to block on this until it's
further discussed.<br>
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When "do-ocratic banning" was first used it was in the context of
someone that was actively harrassing people and being violent.
Noisebridge is not a homeless shelter, but I don't think we should
lightly discard radical inclusion. There are a million other ways
to handle the situation with someone who at least cleans the
kitchen. If push comes to shove, I'll be willing to mediate. <br>
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This issue isn't going to go away, and I don't think introducing
blanket bans or trying to make sophmoric attempts to "define
hacking" is going to work. These things have to be a human call,
and consensus is there for situations just like this so people can
argue over shit...<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Alan
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There is a bit of confusion about Cynthia.
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<div>The problem is that she is not a hacker, she is a
homeless person who uses the noisebridge kitchen.</div>
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<div>This would be fine if it was just a day or 2, but she was
showing up nearly every day for a year.</div>
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<div>Do we want homeless people who have no kitchen to use the
noisebridge kitchen?</div>
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<div>Cynthia is a nice person and I have had only positive
interactions with her. She is a little crazy, but never in
a bad or unsafe way.</div>
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<div>Some people think that Noisebridge should only be for
hackers. Other people think that Noisebridge is for
everyone.</div>
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<div>I see it both ways. If we let all homeless people in SF
use the kitchen, it would be very crowded. And not in a
good way.</div>
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<div>I am fine with non-hackers coming to noisebridge
occasionally, but they shouldn't be there too often. When
they do show up every day and hack nothing, I sometimes ask
them to come around less often.</div>
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<div>When non-hackers show up to noisebridge once a week or
less, that is cool. When they show up every day for many
hours, I get annoyed at them and ask them what they are
working on, implying that they should be working on
something.</div>
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<div>Calling the police on her was bad, but what were they
supposed to do - admit defeat? I would have admitted
defeat, but I understand why they didn't.</div>
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<div>I have tried to kick people out of noisebridge before. 9
times out of 10 they leave. When they say "no, I am not
leaving..." I say ok, and go do something else. </div>
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<div>I can think of 2 other people who are rather
Cynthia-like. I don't know what to do about them. I like
both those people, but I think they come to noisebridge too
often.<br>
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<div>The fact that none of these people are bad folks
complicates the problem.</div>
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<div>We could make a policy about this. Or we could keep
doing what we are doing, let people do-ocratically decide.
What we have been doing does work - There were about 60
people at noisebridge last night and all of them were
awesome. Kicking people out isn't fun or fair and I don't
like doing it, but occasionally I do because Noisebridge is
not a homeless shelter.</div>
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