Eloquent, yet, stupid. <div><br></div><div>Thank you for your advice.</div><div><br></div><div>-j</div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:58 PM, Rigel Christian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rigelc@gmail.com" target="_blank">rigelc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">i'm sure i'm going to get flamed here, but:<br>
<br>
cram it up your ass.<br>
<br>
if you're not committed enough to, your own self, come down to the<br>
space, cut through the bullshit, and see if there is something there<br>
that is worth nurturing, then you're just a fucking troll.<br>
<br>
and if so, then as i said<br>
<br>
cram it up your ass.<br>
<div class="im HOEnZb"><br>
<br>
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:49 AM, John Adams <<a href="mailto:jna@retina.net">jna@retina.net</a>> wrote:<br>
</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">> From the outside, looking in...<br>
><br>
> I was a founding member of one the earliest US hackerspaces, the l0pht,<br>
> before we knew what the word was. This was when the words Open Source didn't<br>
> exist and all we knew of was the League of Programming Freedom, which would<br>
> later become the Free Software Foundation, thanks to RMS.<br>
><br>
> It was when reverse engineering electronics wasn't much of a crime and most<br>
> of the laws regarding "Cybersecurity" didn't exist yet. We started off<br>
> because our girlfriends and wives (yes, some of us were that old) hated<br>
> having all that technology littering our apartments and we all wanted some<br>
> place to work.<br>
><br>
> Women in our organization like Limor Fried (ladyada) and Window Snyder<br>
> forged new ground for women in technology and rallied against male-driven<br>
> engineering fields to create new opportunities to teach others engineering<br>
> and security, for both men and women (and girls and boys.)<br>
><br>
> If not for our ability to come together and share what we knew, none of us<br>
> would have had Internet access or the chance to learn and work on Unix,<br>
> which back then was extremely difficult to do (we had to cobble together Sun<br>
> Sparcstations and Vax machines from junk). Even Slackware was in it's mere<br>
> nascent phase of development and Linux was very, very unstable. These<br>
> experiences, building these machines, built careers for people.<br>
><br>
> What we did back then was more than likely illegal, and we had to work<br>
> together to get access to technology. Our small group of people went on to<br>
> do great things, from speaking in front of congress, to breaking RSA's<br>
> SecurID, and forming great companies like @stake and VeraCode. All because<br>
> we worked together on shared interests.<br>
><br>
> What I do have to say is that the actions of some of the people on this list<br>
> saddens me, and I am just responding to what I see here on the list. It<br>
> keeps me from becoming an active member of Noisebridge. It keeps me from<br>
> getting on my bicycle, riding to the mission and sharing what I know (and<br>
> learning new things from) all of you because my perception of the actions of<br>
> a few make it sound like a wonderful hackerspace has become overrun with<br>
> drama and madness.<br>
><br>
> It keeps me from donating money and certainly keeps me from helping out.<br>
> You've got a permissive society here, perhaps too permissive to permit great<br>
> things to happen.<br>
><br>
> Cut it out. Convince me I'm wrong. I think all of you are smart enough to<br>
> work through this and to realize the value in the resource that you have<br>
> worked so hard to create and the insanity in allowing this to continue along<br>
> the path you've chosen.<br>
><br>
><br>
> --john<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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