<p>I sat with rob when he using them probably more so then anyone else at nb, at the time. I even opened one up to check it out. I also use host with similar hp proliants as well.</p>
<p> let"s talk about it off the list as I feel it may make for good discussion over some tea. I am also in support for working toward dedramatizing the list.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On May 27, 2012 9:07 AM, "Ben Kochie" <<a href="mailto:superq@gmail.com">superq@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
They were old as shit power hogs. Not anywhere near that nice.<br>
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On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Robert Chu <<a href="mailto:robertayoungchu@gmail.com">robertayoungchu@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> From what I remember, there three (nothing less then) dual Xeon (not sure of<br>
> the exact model/ clock) HP Proliants, with a minimum of 4Gigs (even though I<br>
> think it was 8Gigs ECC, and Registered.)each. Some switches, and the cabinet<br>
> its self.<br>
><br>
> I am looking on Ebay as I did before when I wrote the previous email, and it<br>
> seems that my estimate of ~$2,000 - ~$3,000 for all the gear is about ball<br>
> park.<br>
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> I<br>
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> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Ben Kochie <<a href="mailto:superq@gmail.com">superq@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I saw the servers that were tossed. It was maybe worth $300 total.<br>
>> And maybe $200 for the half rack cabinet. The stuff was eWaste.<br>
>> $2000-3000 is an exaggeration.<br>
>><br>
>> We didn't ask for server equipment at the space. We didn't want<br>
>> server equipment at the space. We already had two other full cabinets<br>
>> and a bunch of other eWaste quality servers. They were all taking up<br>
>> space doing nobody any good.<br>
>><br>
>> Donations are donations, noisebridge can do whatever it wants with<br>
>> them. We cleared out the eWaste and kept the good stuff in the rack<br>
>> closet.<br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Robert Chu <<a href="mailto:robertayoungchu@gmail.com">robertayoungchu@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>> > Hello Noisebridge Community.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I am writing this email on behalf of the good that there is in Robert<br>
>> > 2.0,<br>
>> > and also because I don't think that he should be banned. Before you<br>
>> > become<br>
>> > enraged with this email (or even annoyed), I encourage you to read on.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I can only infer (from my experience with Rob 2.0) the situation is as<br>
>> > follows:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > ******ROBERT 2.0******<br>
>> ><br>
>> > - Is one of the best software hackers that I've ever met at Noisebridge<br>
>> ><br>
>> > - HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN DOWN TO TEACH AND HELP OTHERS with any questions<br>
>> > they<br>
>> > have. (As he only said know if he was super busy).<br>
>> ><br>
>> > - Came to Noisebridge and crashed a couple of public computers (with the<br>
>> > intent of making them better- this was done do-ocrattically) also<br>
>> > because he<br>
>> > didn't know that it would be a problem to do so.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > - Had taken apart a couple of scooters (when I spoke with him, it was<br>
>> > his<br>
>> > intent to build a better one with the parts. I spoke to Rob about this a<br>
>> > while ago when this issue came up. It seemed that HACKING apart the<br>
>> > scooters<br>
>> > to make a better one was completely valid since Noisebridge is a<br>
>> > HACKERSPACE<br>
>> > and it has been communally agreed upon that everything at Noisebridge is<br>
>> > HACKABLE except the Membershelves.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > - Robert brought a cabinet of servers to Noisebridge, and was taking to<br>
>> > some<br>
>> > people to do some awesome tech stuff such as clustering, and even teach<br>
>> > a<br>
>> > class (teaching is most excellent at Noisebridge).<br>
>> ><br>
>> > - Robert 2.0 had slept a couple of nights at Noisebirdge (Before it was<br>
>> > communally looked down upon).<br>
>> ><br>
>> > - When Robert 2.0 was allowed in the space he did make a lot of messes<br>
>> > that<br>
>> > other people had to clean up (which is why part of the reason some<br>
>> > people<br>
>> > got upset to the point of wanting him to not come back).<br>
>> ><br>
>> > - He is a hard person to communicate with.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > - Robert 2.0 has often been coming back to Noisebridge for various<br>
>> > reasons,<br>
>> > and has left every time after being asked to leave.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>> ><br>
>> > WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO ROBERT 2.0<br>
>> > - Robert 2.0 has been asked to leave the space and not come back until<br>
>> > he<br>
>> > goes through a Noisebridge Moderation process (which I don't think he<br>
>> > wants<br>
>> > to moderate with the current moderators).<br>
>> ><br>
>> > - I would estimate that about $2,000 to $3,000 worth of servers that he<br>
>> > was<br>
>> > going to donate to Noisebridge were pushed out onto the street (without<br>
>> > even<br>
>> > letting Robert 2.0 know that this was going to happen), and are now<br>
>> > GONE.<br>
>> > That is $2,000 - $3,000 dollars worth of servers let the COMMUNITY know<br>
>> > that<br>
>> > this unjustice was done. IHO throwing away a hacker's hardware is a huge<br>
>> > insult to a hacker. He could have been asked to move them out of<br>
>> > Noisebridge<br>
>> > if they were really that much of a problem.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > - I would estimate that the damage that Robert could have done to<br>
>> > Noisebridge is at most ~$500 in man hours or whatever, where as the<br>
>> > amount<br>
>> > of money he lost in the form of hardware is far greater.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>> ><br>
>> > In conclusion,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > - Robert 2.0 is still upset that ~$2,000 - $3,000 in servers was just<br>
>> > trashed without his knowledge or even being communicated to (TOTALLY<br>
>> > UNEXCELLENT IMHO), and the person who was responsible wasn't even<br>
>> > reprimanded at all, just because he has been a huge part of the<br>
>> > Noisebridge<br>
>> > community.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > - I feel that there Robert should be allowed to return to Noisebridge,<br>
>> > but<br>
>> > only after we figure out what the problems that others are having with<br>
>> > him<br>
>> > (AS ARE DOING WITH CYNTHIA), and work them out. I also am pretty sure<br>
>> > he<br>
>> > does not want to moderate with the current people that defaulted as<br>
>> > moderators, and think that I would be able to moderate this situation<br>
>> > because of my repor and relationship with Robert.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Let me get in contact with Robert and see what his goals are and what<br>
>> > his<br>
>> > expectations for being a part of the Noisebridge community are.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Since I am still on vacation from Noisebridge feel free to tell him to<br>
>> > contact me if he shows up.<br>
>> > <a href="mailto:robertayoungchu@gmail.com">robertayoungchu@gmail.com</a> - <a href="tel:415.935.3597" value="+14159353597">415.935.3597</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Banning Robert would be another example of Noisebridge Hackerspace<br>
>> > kicking<br>
>> > out another %100 authentic hacker (probably one of the best in the<br>
>> > Noisebridge eco-system).<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Please Noisebridge (at community at large) let me sync up with Robert<br>
>> > 2.0<br>
>> > before any decision is even discussed. I would still be pissed off at<br>
>> > the<br>
>> > person who is responsible and at Noisebridge to if $2,000 - $3,000<br>
>> > (maybe<br>
>> > even more) worth of hardware was just tossed. I also feel that that part<br>
>> > is<br>
>> > being over-looked on Noisebridge's part (why don't we ban the person<br>
>> > tossed<br>
>> > his hardware to the curb?).<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Robert Albert Young Chu<br>
>> > "Keep hackers in the hackerspace."<br>
>> > Rayc<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
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