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My first thought is that there isn't anyone offering to help.
Doesn't anyone have a couch that she could occupy for the next few
days? It is absolutely impossible for me to offer these
accommodations but I have offered my services in about a week.
Giving suggestions regarding the best places to sleep outside is
cold hearted, especially for a group and City that is "progressive".<br>
<br>
I agree that Jesse has an abrupt manner and doesn't believe in 2nd
or 3rd chances. I don't think he believes in chances at all.
However, I like him for other reasons. Jesse just needs to chill the
fuck out from time to time.<br>
<br>
Many times I have kindly awakened users and let it be known that
sleeping is not acceptable. The message is well received because it
is delivered with a smile and some understanding. Sometimes people
nod off. It happens. Expect a backlash from the offender and others
if invasive tactics are used to prove how wrong they are.<br>
<br>
It's important to consider who the offender is and what kind of
punishment should be doled. Persecuting someone who is well regarded
in the community is mutually assured destruction. One should expect
the same vindication if they ever make an error in judgement.
Placing a $1000 punishment on a $50 crime is absurd and simply mean.<br>
<br>
She has a dilemma right now. We should be focussing on solving the
problem, which we are all very good at, instead of placing blame.
One way or another, this can be solved. Everyone can walk away
happy.<br>
<br>
On 06/16/2012 09:51 PM, Ever Falling wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAF67JOQx01j1hcKtRR_Te5jY3uLQUfyVsBKHP2UP9aDChRLWhg@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Before making such suggestions please read the back
log of the many threads about this very topic. It's been made very
clear that 1) sleeping in the space, whether it be naps or staying
the night, is not conducive to the purpose of the space which is a
place to hack, work on projects, and learn. 2) it's against the
lease of the space to allow people to basically live there. I'm
not completely familiar with the details but again i'm sure you
can find where it's been talked about ad nauseum in previous
threads.<br>
<br>
Violette your situation is very unfortunate and I understand your
dilemma but understand that NB is not a place for sleeping. It's
just not its purpose. You wouldn't expect to be able to sleep in
any other place that didn't specifically allow it so I'm not sure
why you'd figure NB would be ok with it. Just because the space is
ideally anarchic doesn't mean there aren't still guidelines set
down by the members and that there aren't still rules that exist
outside the space that dictate what can happen within it.<br>
<div><br>
and honestly with a statement like "(...)
<span style="">so I decided risking some fat bearded lard waking
me up with the sound of his unauthorized photography was the
safest option." I'm not really sure what you feel the need to
complain about. If you decide to sleep at Noisebridge you're
gonna have a bad time. Could Jesse, according to your
description, have handled the situation more graciously? yeah.
But that's it.</span><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Lord
Claypool <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:lordclaypool@gmail.com" target="_blank">lordclaypool@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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I think it would be fair to say that the homeless need a
place to sleep at night and that Noisebridge can provide
this much desired service. San Fran is a really progressive
city. In order to maintain this reputation, I think it's our
responsibility to take this major step forward. They live a
hard life. They deserve better. <br>
<br>
With sincere love,<br>
Lordth Claypool
<div class="HOEnZb">
<div class="h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 6:12
PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com" target="_blank">algoldor@yahoo.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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<div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:bookman old
style,new york,times,serif">
<div style="font-family:'bookman old style','new
york',times,serif;font-size:12pt">
<span>Sounds familiar to me :-)</span></div>
<div style="font-family:'bookman old style','new
york',times,serif;font-size:12pt"><span><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt">Noisebridge is
one of the worst places to spend night like
most of the hackerspaces - they are not </span>designed<span><span
style="font-size:12pt"> for that </span>purpose<span
style="font-size:12pt">, at least not
these days. So emergency stay at
Noisebridge over the night is not a
pleasure, most of the people who have
tried knows ...</span></span></div>
<div><span><span style="font-size:12pt"><br>
</span></span></div>
<div><span><span><span><span
style="font-size:12pt">I would say
that you should try to get a camping
math (groundsheet) and sleeping bag so
you can stay outside during the night
if you have to. This would actually
give you a great flexibility and </span>strengthen<span
style="font-size:12pt"> the feeling of
independence/security. You are correct
with the streets, avoid it! Sleep in
the park, I recommend the one around
Mount Sutro I think it is closest safe
spot, I personally love Baker's beach
or Panorama hill at Berkeley. It has
quite nice few </span></span>hidden<span
style="font-size:12pt"> places and I
spend some nice quite nights there,
sometimes meeting people who did the
same quite for a while, working a
regular job during the day and staying
on friends couches and parks over the
night because of the cost of
accommodation around SF. And yes I do
realize that it is a bit of bummer for
the nature and people who use the parks
for the walk etc. but most of the time
you are up before they show up and not
too many people do this - classical
homeless stay close to the source =
downtown.</span></span></span></div>
<div><span><span><span style="font-size:12pt"><br>
</span></span></span></div>
<div><span><span><span style="font-size:12pt">Have
you been considering getting a smaller
van/minivan so you would have
accommodation/base but with minimal
running expenses? Lots of people are
doing this. Another one is getting some
unused boat for free and pay just
docking fee etc (maybe around $200-300
per month cheapest).</span></span></span></div>
<div><span><span><span style="font-size:12pt"><br>
</span></span></span></div>
<div><span><span><span><span
style="font-size:12pt">Anyway best of
luck, I hope you find some spot to
"call your own" for the stability
purposes it is really great. I highly
recommend to try to avoid staying at
Noisebridge because it would be </span>counterproductive<span
style="font-size:12pt"> to your
work/social status in the community,
it is just as it is.</span></span></span></span></div>
<div><span><span><span style="font-size:12pt"><br>
</span></span></span></div>
<div><span><span><span style="font-size:12pt">Sincerely,</span></span></span></div>
<div style="font-family:'bookman old style','new
york',times,serif;font-size:12pt">
</div>
<div style="font-family:'bookman old style','new
york',times,serif;font-size:12pt">Frantisek
Algoldor Apfelbeck<br>
<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:'bookman old style','new
york',times,serif;font-size:12pt">
PS I do recommend to leave for the
park/camping before 10 pm or so because after
that the streets get kind of dodgy and also
the police is patrolling and could give you
troubles. That was the major reason why I
spent some nights at Noisebridge, because I
would be working late and it may be not so
much fun to get out of Mission around 2 am ...
By the way I'm just writing you from "my new
shared office" which I am using as a base
after close to two month of street life at
Seoul :-) and it feels great! (I have even
shower in the complex, with kitchen,
refrigerator, sounds like heaven to me ...).</div>
<div style="font-family:'bookman old style','new
york',times,serif;font-size:12pt">
<br>
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<div style="font-family:'bookman old style','new
york',times,serif;font-size:12pt">biotechnologist&kvasir
and hacker</div>
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<div style="font-family:'bookman old style','new
york',times,serif;font-size:12pt">
"There is no way to peace, peace is the way."
Ghandi<br>
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<hr size="1"> <b><span
style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b>
Violette Blumen <<a
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Sunday, June 17, 2012 8:31 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
[Noisebridge-discuss] Sleeping @
Noisebridge [drama]<br>
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<div> <br>
<div>
<div>To Jesse -</div>
<div> I'm not entirely sure why
I'm doing this as it will likely
prove to be a futile attempt at
allowing you to see beyond what
might just be on the surface of a
situation. I've seen absolutely no
sign that you have any sort of
human compassion, so trying to
show you a tiny chapter of my life
in order to bring out your
humanity is likely out of blind
faith.
<div>
<br>
</div>
<div> I haven't been given the
best deck of cards in my life. I
don't see myself as special or
anything because of this, most
people are given a few lemons,
and going into detail with you
about my life isn't quite on my
priority list. Let's just say
certain conditions I have,
haven't allowed for a very easy
transition into adulthood. I'm
currently trying to get myself
out of my current situation,
albeit difficult, by seeking
help and a case worker at Larkin
Street Youth Services. Last
night in fact, I went to their
youth (18-24) housing shelter
(Lark Inn) in order to get a bed
for the night.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> When I arrived there, I
saw a large group of young
adults in similar situations
also trying to get an emergency
bed for the night. Before we can
get more permanent housing,
we're put on this list where we
have to wait as long as 6 weeks.
With the large amount of people
already there, I didn't think I
was going to be getting an
emergency bed for the night. I
went inside anyways while I
waited for them to do a head
count of who was already there.
As soon as I got inside, one of
the workers approached me to say
that my TB test was expired and
I had to get a new one before I
could stay in one of their beds
again. Their clinics would not
be open until Monday, and if I
go at that time I won't get the
results of my test until
Wednesday. What a fucking
bummer. That means I'm not just
out of a bed for last night, I'm
out of a bed until I get the
results of my TB test, and
that's IF I don't test positive.
It didn't seem like a big deal
last night, I usually
have temporary shelter on
friends couches, and the only
reason I'm trying to get a
permanent situation is for the
stability I haven't had my
entire adult life. I rode from
the TL down to Noisebridge so
that I could make some phone
calls to see if any of my
friends were around to give me a
place. I didn't expect to stay
at Noisebridge overnight. I
called and texted all of my
friends with no avail. I
couldn't get a hold of anyone
with a couch for the night. I
then weighed my options. I sure
as hell wasn't going to put
myself in danger on the streets,
so I decided risking some fat
bearded lard waking me up with
the sound of his unauthorized
photography was the safest
option. <br>
<br>
So here's my apologies, sorry
if I'm being a bit too dramatic.
I'm so very sorry I broke the
cardinal rule of the <i><b>Anarchist</b></i> Hackerspace
in order to prevent myself from
getting mugged, raped, attacked
or even killed from sleeping on
the streets. I'm sorry that my
interest in technology died when
I was in high school and that I
lack an attention span that
allows me to enjoy any hobby for
more than a couple of weeks. I'm
sorry I'm not a 1337 h4xx0rrr,
and I'm sorry I found
programming, while relatively
easy, extremely unrewarding,
boring, and mind numbing. I'm
sorry for intruding upon your
culture Jesse, and I'm sorry for
not tolerating bullies with
superiority complexes. Honestly
Jesse, shouting homeless
pejoratives and waving a very
bright light in someone's eyes
while they're minding their own
business on their
computer really says a lot about
your own character.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>To Noisebridge-</div>
<div>Unless Jesse wishes to
discuss this further, it is of
no interest of mine to bring
this up at a meeting. I said
everything I wanted to say right
here.</div>
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<div>
-Lillian Fleurs</div>
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