I apologize for posting that the other day. I didn't even mean to send it to NB Discuss, just a bunch of people off-list, but I guess that went in via autofill & I didn't delete it.<div><br></div><div>Eric: I could write you a PM, but since you're lambasting me on NB-Discuss, I'll reply in kind. I don't like your interpretation of me & my personality, haven't from day one. Please drop the image of me as attention-seeking diva. If you spent time with me & knew what my life outside NB is like, the causes I'm involved in that you seem to know nothing about, you might have more respect. I actually spend very little time @ NB, considering I live 3 blocks away. I was in on Tuesday for less than an hour, Friday after midnight for about an hour....that's all so far this week. I'm not one of the NB obsessives who can't leave the space & whose life revolves around drama at Noisebridge. You told me once that you're LOYAL. Well, I too am loyal & back up my friends. I thought one of my friends had been forced from the space for what struck me as a damn flimsy reason. That was the ONLY reason I posted anything.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I barely have time to be loyal, actually, let alone to seek attention by stirring up trouble on NB Discuss. And I'm overjoyed to hear it was a misunderstanding and Francisco isn't (hopefully) gone from NB. False alarm. Back to work. Apologies all around.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>LONGSHANKS</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 2:22 AM, Danny O'Brien <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danny@spesh.com" target="_blank">danny@spesh.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On Wed, Jul 04, 2012 at 11:22:06PM -0700, Eric W. Rasmussen wrote:<br>
> Francisco is back and I'm going to clean the garbage cans after the<br>
> trash is picked up and we are going to be more diligent in cleaning the<br>
> kitchen. I would hope that everyone that uses the kitchen can lend a<br>
> helping hand.<br>
><br>
<br>
</div>Okay, marking the bug as fixed!<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
> On 07/04/2012 11:09 PM, Danny O'Brien wrote:<br>
> > On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 01:21:06PM -0700, Tony Longshanks LeTigre wrote:<br>
> >> To those who have succeeded in driving Francisco out of the space because<br>
> >> of.....some fucking fruit flies?<br>
> >><br>
> > Okay, I sent a slightly snappy private mail to this earlier, so I'm<br>
> > going to pay reparation for that by writing a long dull one.<br>
> ><br>
> > TL;DR: probably you or Francisco should mail a mediator, it will be more<br>
> > lovely that way.<br>
> ><br>
> > If Francisco is not around, and you don't like it that Francisco is not<br>
> > around (and presumably Francisco isn't too happy), one or both of you<br>
> > want that fixed. Almost certainly the people that you think actually<br>
> > made him leave (and are messaging) aren't the people best placed to<br>
> > start the process of getting him back.<br>
> ><br>
> > Mailing the list isn't going to fix that, but it does the job of<br>
> > highlighting the problem. But right now it leaves so much stuff unsaid<br>
> > and unclear that anyone reading this is:<br>
> ><br>
> > 1) Sad that what you said is true, and co-bummed (bad phrase, yeah, cheers thx) ) along with you.<br>
> > 2) Unsure, because no background data is given, how to determine whether<br>
> > it is true (is it REALLY Lord Claypool, faking mail from Tony etc etc)<br>
> > 3) Angry, because something sad has happened that they have no control<br>
> > over.<br>
> > 4) Sad or dismissive because they feel that their part of the story<br>
> > hasn't been revealed ("I threw Francisco out because it turned out his<br>
> > vinegar was *turning people into fruit flies*!")<br>
> ><br>
> > So we have a bunch of emotions that we cannot handle, and no actual way<br>
> > to fix things.<br>
> ><br>
> > We have ways to fix things. We like to fix things. But being dorks you<br>
> > have to treat this not as a fait accompli to mourn, but a bug to be<br>
> > fixed.<br>
> ><br>
> > Here is what I, or anyone else in the Noisebridge community, needs to<br>
> > know in the bug report in order to fix this. You don't need to mail the<br>
> > bug report to this to the rest of the list, but you (or Francisco) do<br>
> > hand it to someone who can and wants to help fix the problem. This may<br>
> > just involve you mailing yourself, because you can fix it as well as<br>
> > anyone else. It's okay if you don't have the time, or care enough to do<br>
> > this. But if you don't have the time or care, here is what that someone<br>
> > needs to know:<br>
> ><br>
> > * Is Francisco really gone? Is he unhappy? Talk to him, find out the<br>
> > story.<br>
> > * Who is he so pissed with that he's left, or who do-acratically decided<br>
> > to escort him out or moan at him?<br>
> > * What led up to this situation? What triggered the conflict? Is there<br>
> > something deeper than this that is actually the core of the<br>
> > problem. Don't guess, eke this out of the people involved in there own<br>
> > words.<br>
> ><br>
> > Right now, that information is Highly Distributed. The first step is<br>
> > collect it all in one place. That place does not have to be public.<br>
> ><br>
> > Now that person sits and think and talk with these people until either<br>
> > there's a solution, or the person can't come up with one and need more<br>
> > help, in which case we can take it to meeting or throw more resources at<br>
> > it.<br>
> ><br>
> > This is hacking too. Go for it. It may sound terrifying or<br>
> > time-consuming, or stressful, but speaking as someone who is a stress<br>
> > bunny, it is amazingly less stressful than a world where nothing can be<br>
> > fixed and that the people you deal with are being targetted by<br>
> > incomprehensible or fundamentally evil people in positions of<br>
> > unassailable power. Much of the world feels that way, but everyone wants<br>
> > Noisebridge to not be part of that world.<br>
> ><br>
> > <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Mediation" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Mediation</a> has more and better on this.<br>
> ><br>
> > d.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >> YGTBKM<br>
> >> HHOS?<br>
> >> NFW<br>
> >><br>
> >> He's as much of a hacker as anyone in this space. I gotta wonder.....is NB<br>
> >> trying to commit suicide (i.e. wind down in prep to downsize or close the<br>
> >> space) by driving everyone away? It's working.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Seriously, I am really bummed about this.<br>
> >><br>
> >> x<br>
> >><br>
> >> TLLT<br>
> >><br>
> >> Did NOT send to NB-Disgust. Barely.<br>
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