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    Relax. Do good things. Try to do your best. If you have issues take
    them to the weekly meeting.<br>
    <br>
    No one is required to help you because of "membership". NB has no
    leadership or order. <--- get used to it.<br>
    <br>
    Ask a fellow Power User if you need help.  Ask a Noob because they
    always want to cut their teeth. I generally don't have any problems
    getting assistance when I need it.<br>
    <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/20/2012 10:32 PM, Mitchel
      McAllister wrote:<br>
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            <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">The line "Credit is
              not due to those who do good deeds" is troubling. Perhaps
              this should more properly be addressed on the SocEng list.
              But if credit is not due them, then to whom is it due?
              Those that do evil, or those who do nothing? That's seems
              counter-intuitive.<br>
              <br>
              One of the power users turned to me a few minutes ago, and
              said "You know it would be nice to be thanked, just once."
              When I am in the space, and I see others doing things like
              this, I make sure to stop and thank them.<br>
              <br>
              As we were trying to put Noisebridge into some semblance
              of order just now, not one member got off their butts to
              help. As a matter of fact, one member refused to move so
              that we could move things.<br>
              <br>
              If either of the proposed policies (although I see none of
              the members proposing them have added them to the agenda)
              comes to pass, when do you suppose the space will get
              cleaned or straightened up?<br>
              <br>
              What I am seeing, frankly, are policies proposed as if
              they will never affect a human being, never have negative
              consequences, as if the policies are so perfect that all
              outcomes lead to Nirvana. Seriously, none of us are that
              smart.<br>
              <br>
              - Reverend Mik<br>
              <hr>[censored, spindled and mutilated]<br>
              <br>
              --- On <b>Sat, 10/20/12, Eric W. Rasmussen <i><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ewr@majortek.com"><ewr@majortek.com></a></i></b>
              wrote:<br>
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                From: Eric W. Rasmussen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ewr@majortek.com"><ewr@majortek.com></a><br>
                Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Closing the
                space/Being excellent<br>
                To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>
                Date: Saturday, October 20, 2012, 9:44 PM<br>
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                  <div> You've made some excellent points but your last
                    comment was passive aggressive.<br>
                    <br>
                    I am not a member because I can not afford to be
                    one. If I had $80 a month, I would gladly give it.
                    However, being a Power User does not exclude me from
                    taking on the role of Member.<br>
                    <br>
                    Noisebridge does not have leadership. This is a
                    Do-ocracy.<br>
                    <br>
                    If you see a problem, fix it. Use the materials
                    available. Improvise. This is the "Maker" mantra.
                    Credit is not due to those that perform good deeds.
                    No one is looked upon with a higher gratitude
                    because they help others.<br>
                    <br>
                    Noisebridge is altruism.<br>
                    <br>
                    If someone wants to paint and there are haters, fuck
                    them. If someone wants to use the kitchen and there
                    are haters, fuck them. If someone is giving false
                    information, intervene. Give tours when needed.<br>
                    <br>
                    You love Noisebridge, right? Take ownership.<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <div class="yiv226532303moz-cite-prefix">On
                      10/20/2012 09:03 PM, Mitchel McAllister wrote:<br>
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                            <td style="font:inherit;" valign="top">I've
                              been sharing what's being discussed by a
                              few regulars in the space, or as Danny
                              called us once, "power users".<br>
                              <br>
                              Understand that these are people who
                              regularly chip in to clean up or get
                              things put into a semblence of order
                              (especially after events). We wash dishes,
                              we take the trash out, we bring the bins
                              back in, we sweep the floors... We try to
                              not make waves, we try to help out when we
                              can. And right now, a couple of us have
                              been assisting Cliff in painting the
                              space.<br>
                              <br>
                              Yet, a few minutes or an hour after we do
                              things like this, someone will stomp
                              through the space, talking loudly about
                              how "those people" need to be kicked out
                              because "those people" never do a damned
                              thing around the space.<br>
                              <br>
                              Most of the people jumping in to fix
                              computers or other gadgets brought in by
                              visitors in the past two months have been
                              "power users". Throughout the day,
                              evening, and night, there are often times
                              where there are no members present - no
                              members to welcome newcomers, no members
                              to give visitors tours.<br>
                              <br>
                              Some of the other "power users" feel that
                              they can't come to the meetings to discuss
                              things that are going on. They feel that
                              they aren't allowed to speak up, because
                              they're not members. They feel they
                              shouldn't "bother" members by joining
                              conversations.<br>
                              <br>
                              And I have heard several people giving out
                              incorrect or misleading information on how
                              to become a member. "You have to
                              collaborate on a couple projects with real
                              members before you're allowed to put in an
                              application," has been one I've heard
                              several times.<br>
                              <br>
                              The amount of pure shit that happens when
                              there are no members present, or when
                              members are sequestered off by themselves,
                              is alarming. But if members don't approach
                              visitors or "power users" and actively
                              solicit feedback, get involved in
                              discussions, or at least try to get to
                              know them, it will continue, and probably
                              get worse.<br>
                              <br>
                              Yes, I know, I am considered a troll on
                              the discussion list. And because I am a
                              troll, nothing I have said has any
                              relevance or value. After all, it's easier
                              to dismiss me as a troll than actually
                              consider any points I may have made.<br>
                              <br>
                              - Reverend Mik<br>
                              <hr>It is impossible to wage war or commit
                              violence, unless you first prove the other
                              party is less human than you are. - Shane
                              Vassad<br>
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