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Relax. Do good things. Try to do your best. If you have issues take
them to the weekly meeting.<br>
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No one is required to help you because of "membership". NB has no
leadership or order. <--- get used to it.<br>
<br>
Ask a fellow Power User if you need help. Ask a Noob because they
always want to cut their teeth. I generally don't have any problems
getting assistance when I need it.<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/20/2012 10:32 PM, Mitchel
McAllister wrote:<br>
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<td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">The line "Credit is
not due to those who do good deeds" is troubling. Perhaps
this should more properly be addressed on the SocEng list.
But if credit is not due them, then to whom is it due?
Those that do evil, or those who do nothing? That's seems
counter-intuitive.<br>
<br>
One of the power users turned to me a few minutes ago, and
said "You know it would be nice to be thanked, just once."
When I am in the space, and I see others doing things like
this, I make sure to stop and thank them.<br>
<br>
As we were trying to put Noisebridge into some semblance
of order just now, not one member got off their butts to
help. As a matter of fact, one member refused to move so
that we could move things.<br>
<br>
If either of the proposed policies (although I see none of
the members proposing them have added them to the agenda)
comes to pass, when do you suppose the space will get
cleaned or straightened up?<br>
<br>
What I am seeing, frankly, are policies proposed as if
they will never affect a human being, never have negative
consequences, as if the policies are so perfect that all
outcomes lead to Nirvana. Seriously, none of us are that
smart.<br>
<br>
- Reverend Mik<br>
<hr>[censored, spindled and mutilated]<br>
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--- On <b>Sat, 10/20/12, Eric W. Rasmussen <i><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ewr@majortek.com"><ewr@majortek.com></a></i></b>
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Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Closing the
space/Being excellent<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>
Date: Saturday, October 20, 2012, 9:44 PM<br>
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<div> You've made some excellent points but your last
comment was passive aggressive.<br>
<br>
I am not a member because I can not afford to be
one. If I had $80 a month, I would gladly give it.
However, being a Power User does not exclude me from
taking on the role of Member.<br>
<br>
Noisebridge does not have leadership. This is a
Do-ocracy.<br>
<br>
If you see a problem, fix it. Use the materials
available. Improvise. This is the "Maker" mantra.
Credit is not due to those that perform good deeds.
No one is looked upon with a higher gratitude
because they help others.<br>
<br>
Noisebridge is altruism.<br>
<br>
If someone wants to paint and there are haters, fuck
them. If someone wants to use the kitchen and there
are haters, fuck them. If someone is giving false
information, intervene. Give tours when needed.<br>
<br>
You love Noisebridge, right? Take ownership.<br>
<br>
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10/20/2012 09:03 PM, Mitchel McAllister wrote:<br>
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<td style="font:inherit;" valign="top">I've
been sharing what's being discussed by a
few regulars in the space, or as Danny
called us once, "power users".<br>
<br>
Understand that these are people who
regularly chip in to clean up or get
things put into a semblence of order
(especially after events). We wash dishes,
we take the trash out, we bring the bins
back in, we sweep the floors... We try to
not make waves, we try to help out when we
can. And right now, a couple of us have
been assisting Cliff in painting the
space.<br>
<br>
Yet, a few minutes or an hour after we do
things like this, someone will stomp
through the space, talking loudly about
how "those people" need to be kicked out
because "those people" never do a damned
thing around the space.<br>
<br>
Most of the people jumping in to fix
computers or other gadgets brought in by
visitors in the past two months have been
"power users". Throughout the day,
evening, and night, there are often times
where there are no members present - no
members to welcome newcomers, no members
to give visitors tours.<br>
<br>
Some of the other "power users" feel that
they can't come to the meetings to discuss
things that are going on. They feel that
they aren't allowed to speak up, because
they're not members. They feel they
shouldn't "bother" members by joining
conversations.<br>
<br>
And I have heard several people giving out
incorrect or misleading information on how
to become a member. "You have to
collaborate on a couple projects with real
members before you're allowed to put in an
application," has been one I've heard
several times.<br>
<br>
The amount of pure shit that happens when
there are no members present, or when
members are sequestered off by themselves,
is alarming. But if members don't approach
visitors or "power users" and actively
solicit feedback, get involved in
discussions, or at least try to get to
know them, it will continue, and probably
get worse.<br>
<br>
Yes, I know, I am considered a troll on
the discussion list. And because I am a
troll, nothing I have said has any
relevance or value. After all, it's easier
to dismiss me as a troll than actually
consider any points I may have made.<br>
<br>
- Reverend Mik<br>
<hr>It is impossible to wage war or commit
violence, unless you first prove the other
party is less human than you are. - Shane
Vassad<br>
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