<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>If I remember correctly, there were two things which we used to do for events which took place in the venue:</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>- making sure that there is at least one or more Noisebridge members around during the event (or preferably also before and after)</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
16px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>- dedicated person/s used the yellow helmet with Noisebridge logo, like the one which one of our glorious former presidents R. Miloh Alexander was wearing on his inauguration photos <br></span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>So maybe coming back to this tradition could be kind of "happy comeback"?</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style:
normal;"><span>Sincerely,</span></div><div> </div><div>Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck<br><br></div><div>biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker</div><br><br><div>http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org</div><div><br><br></div><div>"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi<br><br> <div style="font-family: bookman old style, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Liz Henry <liz@bookmaniac.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 22, 2012 4:48 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] [drama] I got groped at noisebridge at hackmeet<br> </font>
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Hey Ronald. I agree about being more proactive. That is what Cooper and<br>I talked about when I called him last night (still during Hackmeet) to<br>discuss what some of those things might be.<br><br>- roles for a safety crew, who would be clearly identified as people to<br>go to in a bad situation, who undergo some sort of training/discussion<br>process beforehand,<br>- signs with code of conduct and other useful information rather than<br>just one "conduct/safety" announcement at the beginning,<br>- More of a clear "welcoming" role at the door<br>- nametags (with whatever name people want to be called)<br><br>I feel sure there are other ideas that we could try out that would help<br>many people socially and would give a little structure for various sorts<br>of possible conflict or unexcellent behavior.<br><br>We could do them at 5mof and also put in some of the blue masking tape<br>pathways to train people to be aware that open corridors are very
useful<br>for accessibility.<br><br><br>Cheers,<br><br>Liz<br><br><br>On 10/21/12 10:37 PM, Ronald Cotoni wrote:<br>> We could be more proactive. Are you really telling me we could not have<br>> done a significantly better job at preventing this? I think we can and<br>> should come up with a set of guidelines for events like hack meets using<br>> the space. Good thing I am not a member and I have no say in the way the<br>> space runs.<br>> <br>> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Liz Henry <<a ymailto="mailto:liz@bookmaniac.org" href="mailto:liz@bookmaniac.org">liz@bookmaniac.org</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>>><br>>> Ronald, I would argue that the fact that Noisebridge deals with its<br>>> problems by airing them out in a transparent way, discussing the issues<br>>> and responding to things in a non-centralized way, is exactly why we are<br>>> a good and functional community.
Undesirable things happen everywhere,<br>>> but they are often hushed up or covered up and nothing is done about the<br>>> underlying problems.<br>>><br>>> For example, kickbanning Patrick within 1 day of his harassing behavior<br>>> was pretty amazing. It was not fun, and the community was damaged by<br>>> it, but the fact that someone behave badly wasn't something determined<br>>> by our structure and wasn't really controllable. It is how we dealt with<br>>> the problem that matters. Not everything about the process was great,<br>>> but we were figuring out what to do was we went, in response to how<br>>> events unfolded and how information spread throughout our community. I<br>>> thought that it was, on the whole, a good response.<br>>><br>>> If we as an organization never, ever called anyone out or held them<br>>> responsible for crossing some sort of behavior
line, then I would worry<br>>> a lot more.<br>>><br>>> So, Ronald, here I think you are conflating *having to deal with<br>>> problems*, which every community has, with *how we respond to those<br>>> problems*. Can you really think of an organization which doesn't have<br>>> conflict? We do a good portion of it in public. While this makes some<br>>> people label us as the drama-y hackerspace, actually, I bet the others<br>>> have (and I KNOW some of them have) personal and political conflict that<br>>> is kept more private. That is not necessarily an unalloyed good.<br>>><br>>><br>>> - Liz<br>>><br>>><br>>> On 10/21/12 8:12 PM, Ronald Cotoni wrote:<br>>>> To be honest, this incident and others that have happened in the past<br>>> (the<br>>>> patrick keys stuff, rob 2.0, theft of the donation box recently), it<br>>>
seems<br>>>> that noisebridge needs a wake up call to the real world. We have all<br>>> these<br>>>> things that happen that could have been avoided in hindsight. I think<br>>>> Noisebridge and it's members (I would be a member but I was blocked 1<br>>> hour<br>>>> before the 4th meeting), need to do something before Noisebridge is at<br>>> risk<br>>>> from some stupidity that happens in the space.<br>>>><br>>>> At this point I hope someone does something that will close the space so<br>>> we<br>>>> can pull our collective heads out of our collective asses and make<br>>>> Noisebridge the "excellent" space it needs to be. This is the worst<br>>> thing<br>>>> I have ever said about noisebridge. I feel really horrible but I would<br>>>> feel worse if I told a friend to go there and something
unexcelent<br>>> happened<br>>>> to them. Fix yourself (sooner than later please).<br>>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> --<br>>><br>>> ------------------------<br>>> Liz Henry<br>>> <a ymailto="mailto:liz@bookmaniac.org" href="mailto:liz@bookmaniac.org">liz@bookmaniac.org</a><br>>> <a href="http://bookmaniac.org/" target="_blank">http://bookmaniac.org</a><br>>><br>>> "Without models, it's hard to work; without a context, difficult to<br>>> evaluate; without peers, nearly impossible to speak." -- Joanna Russ<br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<br>>> <a ymailto="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" href="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>>> <a
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