... spoons?<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Susan Werner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:heinousbutch@gmail.com" target="_blank">heinousbutch@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
You see that email quoted below? Read it. It says what I want to say.<br>
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Fuck y'all motherfuckers who defend misogyny. Trying to write anything<br>
beyond insults consumes too much time and spoons and most of y'alls are<br>
a waste of my spoons to engage with.<br>
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--<br>
Sus``and take your whiter-than-a-sparkly-white-vampire-taint sexist<br>
hacker community and shove it where the sun don't shine''an<br>
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On Oct 22 15:02, daravinne <<a href="mailto:daravinne@gmail.com">daravinne@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I've ignored noisebridge and the mailing list for months, because the<br>
> bar got so low that i couldn't afford the drilling equipment needed to<br>
> locate it. I don't give two shits about your oogle problem or your<br>
> sleeping drama or whatever other whiny bullshit is the wankfest du<br>
> jour, but this is really, really fucking important.<br>
><br>
> I've been on panels at two internationally recognized hackercons about<br>
> depression in the geek community, and in the longer panel at HOPE I<br>
> brought up the pervasive habit of the "radically inclusive" hacker<br>
> community to protect abusive people and behavior in the name of not<br>
> ostracizing people or being "too PC" or otherwise fucking up the<br>
> us-against-them status quo. This is a stellar example of that<br>
> behavior. Seriously, I don't know how one gets such a mirror shine<br>
> onto a turd. Satellites can see that shit from space.<br>
><br>
> Jesus H. Christ in a flying rat vagina, what the actual fuck is wrong<br>
> with you people? I honestly don't even have words for how completely<br>
> fucked this is. It makes me want to get a pliers from the dirty shop<br>
> and start breaking fingers until everyone's learned their lesson.<br>
><br>
> There is a culture specific to noisebridge of nonaccountability.<br>
> There is no real penalty for unacceptable behavior. There is no<br>
> repercussion to an individual or individuals who cross a line or harm<br>
> another person. The process of consensus must be applied to<br>
> EVERYTHING, such that no cohesive group action can be performed<br>
> efficiently or quickly, if at all. "Do-ocracy" subs for group action<br>
> but has no lasting effect on the psychology of the group or how it<br>
> functions. I have often described it as a black hole into which one<br>
> can throw unlimited amounts of resources with no return.<br>
><br>
> There is also a culture specific to the hacker community of pervasive<br>
> emotional abuse, executed in such a way that promotes mistrust,<br>
> paranoia, fear and aggression among peers and friends. Nonvigilance<br>
> guarantees victimhood, and victims are reminded that it's their fault<br>
> for not being vigilant enough or not striking first. Infosec is the<br>
> biggest offender by far, but this mindset has spilled over into<br>
> anything connected to the hacker scene and culture. Bonus prizes<br>
> include sexist behavior and ideology among both genders, a generous<br>
> sprinkling of rape culture, and all the slut-shaming your heart could<br>
> desire.<br>
><br>
> Mash these two things together, and you get "a woman goes to a hacker<br>
> party and is alienated by the local hacker community to the point<br>
> where she is publicly crying, and is then sexually assaulted while<br>
> crying, in front of community members who do nothing. This same<br>
> community proceeds to then lash out at her ON THE INTERNET for<br>
> complaining about being sexually assaulted."<br>
><br>
> Holy everloving shit, I'm in r/creepshots.<br>
><br>
> Oh, and don't try and hand me that "noisebridge-discuss isn't the same<br>
> as the people in the actual space, isn't the same at the irc channel".<br>
> You people pass the buck so fast I'm surprised DARPA hasn't claimed<br>
> it for renewable energy. Everyone who does something in conjunction<br>
> with the noisebridge name publicly represents the space and<br>
> philosophy, whether you like it or not. I have been uncomfortable for<br>
> a long time with declaring any association with noisebridge, because<br>
> of shit like this. The noisebridge community is an embarrassment, and<br>
> has been for a while. Fuck your bedbugs, fuck your robot, fuck your<br>
> kitchen, fuck yo couch.<br>
><br>
> I appreciate those who have taken this seriously, vonguard and danny<br>
> and ron and liz and whoever else i'm forgetting. I have been through<br>
> many incidences of emotional and physical abuse from hackers, and<br>
> those incidences have been witnessed by hackers, who have sat by and<br>
> done nothing, or blamed me if I tried to stand up for myself. As<br>
> someone who has experienced abusive behavior in the hacker community<br>
> for years, the statement "we should probably be more proactive about<br>
> this" feels inadequate.<br>
><br>
><br>
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