<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Hi to all,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Is it really a plan to have surveillance cameras in front of the place/in the place? I have seen what have happened in UK and to a lesser degree in Ireland. It may seem as a good idea to "monitor everything" but I think that in a long term in most of the cases it is a way to the hell. I'm "physically away" not frequenting the place for last two years (unfortunately) but if I can express my opinion, if the first thing which I see when I come to Noisebridge, especially as a "new potential member" is a security camera than that is a very, very bad signal. I would rather like to see some codes system on the doors or keys etc. rather than
"we are watching you!" <br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>I hope that the cameras are just a very temporary matter, I know that many people were and still are opposed to monitoring the place and I just personally really dislike such approach. Please note that I appreciate the effort which someone put in to make even this solution which I do not like happen. I believe that decision like installing surveillance cameras in the place or by the entrance permanently/long term should go through consensus.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color:
transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>What do you think? I do not want to start another drama but I think that what Rubin says:</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">>>><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">It's taken us 4 years to go from a space that welcomes anonymity to a<br>state of preferring surveillance and control over simply saying
hello<br>and promoting the notion of responsibility over whom you let in.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">>>></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"> </div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">is very important. Technical solutions can help but without strong social backbone they will not safe the day.<br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: bookman old style,new
york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Sincerely from Seoul,<br></span></div><div> </div><div>Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck<br><br></div><div>biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker</div><br><br><div>http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org</div><div><br><br></div><div>"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi<br><br> <div style="font-family: bookman old style, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Rubin Abdi <rubin@starset.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Jake <jake@spaz.org> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" <noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net> <br> <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:09 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Two working surveillance cameras, but no functional doorbell?<br> </font> </div> <br>
Jake wrote, On 2012-10-25 02:46:<br>> Danny and Josh have been working on better access control, so that<br>> people can no longer buzz the door open anonymously and thus let random<br>> strangers in all the time, to poop all over the place, like you just did<br>> to this list.<br><br>It's taken us 4 years to go from a space that welcomes anonymity to a<br>state of preferring surveillance and control over simply saying hello<br>and promoting the notion of responsibility over whom you let in.<br><br>> You on the other hand, didn't even come to the meeting, to hear about<br>> the fact that the doorbell is broken and that people are going to need<br>> to fix that, but that it's a low priority because the only people<br>> affected by it are people who are not as likely to improve the space.<br><br>I found out about the broken doorbell through someone coming from a<br>class in one of the classrooms stating none of the students are able
to<br>get in because no one was buzzing them in. All this while a couple kids<br>seated next to me were discussing their plans to spend another night in<br>the space, of whom left the space and were able to re-enter about 30<br>minutes later.<br><br>Jake, unless we're standing guard at the gate 24/7, neither of us knows<br>exactly who's being let in and kept out, why and how.<br><br>Again I can't stress this more, technical solution don't work for<br>fundamentally social problems. Jake, you're welcome to throw mud at me<br>and call me a hypocrite, I'm simply here to point out how much down the<br>hole we've sunk and am pointing my finger at those of us who've been<br>here since the beginning and have simply given up on the space.<br><br>-- <br>Rubin<br><a ymailto="mailto:rubin@starset.net" href="mailto:rubin@starset.net">rubin@starset.net</a><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<br><a
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