<p>Our use of language vacillates between the very precise and the wildly inaccurate. In this case I first used precise language and it was not actually grokked. What I see in the use of this 'swear' word here is a different way of explaining the same concept, in a different dialect. The one incidentally that I found native in Noisebridgelandia when I got here.</p>
<p>For the record noisebridge has hosted lots of alt-sex meetups/events/talks (for intellectual events, getyermindouttathegutter) and in general has a large sex-positive influence throughout its history.</p>
<p>While I do think it is important that I be treated with respect, I don't think policing all language is productive. I think it is better to seek to move in a direction, no?</p>
<p>Also wtf.</p>
<p>I am really interested in making sure that 'women being treated with respect' doesn't somehow get conflated with 'we should stop being sexpositive' or 'omg now we all have to talk like a womens studies class' because believe me that it is possible to push that shit too far.</p>
<p>just so y'all know where I stand on that.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 5, 2012 10:08 AM, "David theMaker" <<a href="mailto:starofatlas@gmail.com">starofatlas@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>"We've been dicks to each other in the past, so I made a rash judgement and assumed that pattern was continuing".</div>
<div> </div>
<div>One thing that I appreciate about this group is the sensitivity towards language in relation to each other, in the hopes of fostering greater community and support.</div>
<div>So, why then is there no outrage of the use of "dicks" being used in a derogatory and demeaning fashion? This usage fosters an underlying contempt for the masculine; we're better than that!</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Dave</div>
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<div>On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:00 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-request@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss-request@lists.noisebridge.net</a>></span> wrote:<br></div>
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<br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Sudo Room ?State of the Room? Dec. 7-9th: Weekend of Open<br> House Activities (Jenny Ryan)<br> 2. Frantisek: Email bouncing on tastebridge (Glen Jarvis)<br> 3. Re: New furniture (Brandon Edens)<br>
4. Re: New furniture (Tony Longshanks LeTigre)<br> 5. Re: New furniture (rachel lyra hospodar)<br> 6. Tahoe, The Least Authority File System, Thursday Night Hack<br> Meet (Zancas Dearana)<br> 7. Re: New furniture (John Withers)<br>
8. Re: New furniture (Brian Cloutier)<br> 9. Lab: Frontend Web Development, Thursday 8pm (Jeffrey Carl Faden)<br> 10. It's a Newtonmas Five Minutes of Fame, Charlie Brown -- 5MOF<br> returns on December 20th, send me your submissions now, this<br>
subject line is too long for most clients. (Danny O'Brien)<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "Jenny Ryan" <<a href="mailto:jenny@thepyre.org" target="_blank">jenny@thepyre.org</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>
Cc: <br>Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 04:54:46 -0800<br>Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Sudo Room “State of the Room” Dec. 7-9th: Weekend of Open House Activities<br>
<p>Greetings Noisebridgers~<br></p>
<p>Please join <a href="http://sudoroom.org/" target="_blank">Sudo Room</a>, a hacker/creativespace in downtown Oakland, for a series of public events at our new space this coming weekend! This month we are celebrating our move into a full space at 2141 Broadway with the first annual “State of the Room.” Come see our space, meet the “sudoers,” learn what Sudo Room is all about, hear what projects people are working on, and be a part of developing the future direction of Sudo Room.</p>
<p>Weekend Schedule:</p>
<ul>
<li>Fri. Dec. 7th, 6-10PM: <a href="http://sudoroom.org/ai1ec_event/house-warming/?instance_id=19501" target="_blank">Sudo Room Housewarming & Fundraiser</a> (during Art Murmur)</li>
<li>Sat. Dec. 8th, 9-5: <a href="http://sudoroom.org/ai1ec_event/first-annual-state-of-the-room-unconference/?instance_id=19502" target="_blank">“State of the Room” Unconference</a></li>
<li>Sun. Dec. 9th, all day: <a href="http://sudoroom.org/ai1ec_event/move-in-day/?instance_id=19505" target="_blank">Move-In Day and Neglected Technology / Book Drive</a></li></ul>Love,<br>the sudo room crew<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
From: Glen Jarvis <<a href="mailto:glen@glenjarvis.com" target="_blank">glen@glenjarvis.com</a>><br>To: Frantisek Apfelbeck <<a href="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com" target="_blank">algoldor@yahoo.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:algoldor@frantisekapfelbeck.org" target="_blank">algoldor@frantisekapfelbeck.org</a><br>
Cc: tastebridge tastebridge <<a href="mailto:tastebridge@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">tastebridge@lists.noisebridge.net</a>>, Noisebridge <<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>><br>
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 07:59:59 -0800<br>Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Frantisek: Email bouncing on tastebridge<br>
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<div>Frantisek,</div>
<div> This email address '<a href="mailto:algoldor@frantisekapfelbeck.org" target="_blank">algoldor@frantisekapfelbeck.org</a>" is bouncing too much and the tastebridge list has automatically moved your email into "don't send any more state" because of it.</div>
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<div> I can help you reactivate if you can't yourself. I am sending such a wide net to hopefully reach you and let you know. But, first let me know that you have the email bounce problem under control.</div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
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<div>Glen</div>
<div>- --</div>
<div>"Pursue, keep up with, circle round and round your life as a dog does his master's chase. Do what you love. Know your own bone; gnaw at it, bury it, unearth it, and gnaw it still."</div>
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<div>-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----</div></div><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Brandon Edens <<a href="mailto:brandonedens@gmail.com" target="_blank">brandonedens@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Snail <<a href="mailto:snailtsunami@gmail.com" target="_blank">snailtsunami@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: Noisebridge-discuss <<a href="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>><br>Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 08:31:03 -0800<br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] New furniture<br>
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 05:32:26PM -0800, Snail wrote:<br><br>> You could probably compromise on the issue & replace the couches with<br>> wooden benches. Still accessible, comfortable enough for sitting, & easier<br>
> to clean and maintain than couch cushions. -- People can buy pillows that<br>> are easier to clean/rotate if they want something softer. -- Plus that<br>> looks like Internet-cafe-ish, right? Is that what's hip these days? That<br>
> was the original point, right?<br>><br>> Let's not be too practical, though! >_><br><br>Found this wonderful reference on benches that others can use in designing<br>their own benches OR analyzing the positioning and placement of benches.<br>
<br><a href="http://www.pps.org/reference/benches/" target="_blank">http://www.pps.org/reference/benches/</a><br><br>Some highlights:<br><br>Benches should not face each other directly unless they are being used for<br>games. People tend to feel uncomfortable when they sit face to face with a<br>
stranger, and will twist around or sit sideways to avoid eye contact.<br>Occasionally, pairs of benches should be placed at a 90 to 120 degree angle,<br>which is good both for conversations and for sitting alone.<br><br>
A second factor in bench design is appearance. It is important that a bench<br>
fits in with its surroundings. The reason for this is that a bench, which<br>appears to be an extension of the property it sits next to, will help to give a<br>proprietary feel to the street. This increases the likelihood that business<br>
owners will take care of the bench (and the street) that will, in turn, have a<br>positive effect on safety and security in the area.<br><br><br><br>and of course bench comfort...<br><br>To be comfortable, there should be a 95-105 degree angle between the seat and<br>
the back, and the seat should be between 2 and 10 degrees off of horizontal.<br><br>The depth of the seat should be 12 to 18 inches for benches with backs and 30<br>inches for backless benches.<br><br>A seat height of 18 inches is generally the most comfortable.<br>
<br>The front edge of the seat should be curved rather than squared off.<br><br>Small bench slats (2 inches) spaced closely together and following a contoured<br>form are generally more comfortable than larger slats (8 inches). However, in<br>
areas where vandalism is a factor a larger size (e.g., 3 inches x 8 inches)<br>should be used.<br><br>The length of the seat should allow for twenty-four inches per person. However,<br>people will sit closer to each other if there is an armrest separating them.<br>
<br>Armrests are useful both to help people to get out of the seat, and to divide a<br>bench so that more people can fit along it. Segmenting the bench into sections<br>through the use of armrests can provide a sense of privacy among groups as well<br>
as encourage people to sit closer together. The edge of the armrest should<br>extend out to the edge of the seat, and it should have a firm, rounded gripping<br>surface.<br><br><br>--<br>Brandon Edens | <a href="mailto:brandonedens@gmail.com" target="_blank">brandonedens@gmail.com</a> | <a href="http://brandonedens.org/" target="_blank">brandonedens.org</a> | key 0xEC4E9BA5<br>
<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Tony Longshanks LeTigre <<a href="mailto:anthonyletigre@gmail.com" target="_blank">anthonyletigre@gmail.com</a>><br>To: rachel lyra hospodar <<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com" target="_blank">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: Noisebridge Discuss <<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>><br>Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 09:00:59 -0800<br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] New furniture<br>
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:00 AM, rachel lyra hospodar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com" target="_blank">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:
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<p>Just because they are raggedy doesn't make the accessibility issue someone else's problem. It's just you deciding that.</p>
<p></p></blockquote>
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<div>You are overreacting. You have a glaring tendency to see others as your oppressors & as autocrats rather than your equals & comrades. This leads to conflicts that are self-manufactured with people who should be your allies. Dan & others have already stated they will wait to make any substantial changes to the furnishings of the space until others have a chance to give input at the meeting tonight, etc. I doubt anyone connected to Noisebridge has it in for people with disabilities or will stubbornly refuse to provide accommodations for those who are differently abled. Thank you for bringing this into the discussion, all the same. In the meantime, we cleaned some stuff off the top of fridge #2 the other night that was so foul the mice & cockroaches have been avoiding that area. Surely this is a net positive for the space. Let us thrive - and evolve - together!</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>+11+</div>
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<p> </p></blockquote></div><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: rachel lyra hospodar <<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com" target="_blank">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Tony Longshanks LeTigre <<a href="mailto:anthonyletigre@gmail.com" target="_blank">anthonyletigre@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: Noisebridge Discuss <<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>><br>Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 15:03:05 -0500<br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] New furniture<br>
<p><br>I found this article by searching "calling out oppression" and "over-reacting".<br><a href="http://ab-wg.blogspot.com/2009/01/role-of-allies.html?m=1" target="_blank">http://ab-wg.blogspot.com/2009/01/role-of-allies.html?m=1</a><br>
Maybe I should make a chart of boringly predictable oblivous responses, or a robot like lmgtfy that deflects blacklisted emails using their adjectives as search terms.</p>
<p>Because there are just so many goshdarned people playing out the same predictable social dynamics that there are in fact rote predictable responses to these discussions.</p>
<p>Yawn.</p>
<p>Bye now.<br></p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 4, 2012 9:01 AM, "Tony Longshanks LeTigre" <<a href="mailto:anthonyletigre@gmail.com" target="_blank">anthonyletigre@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:00 AM, rachel lyra hospodar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com" target="_blank">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:
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<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
<p>Just because they are raggedy doesn't make the accessibility issue someone else's problem. It's just you deciding that.</p>
<p></p></blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>You are overreacting. You have a glaring tendency to see others as your oppressors & as autocrats rather than your equals & comrades. This leads to conflicts that are self-manufactured with people who should be your allies. Dan & others have already stated they will wait to make any substantial changes to the furnishings of the space until others have a chance to give input at the meeting tonight, etc. I doubt anyone connected to Noisebridge has it in for people with disabilities or will stubbornly refuse to provide accommodations for those who are differently abled. Thank you for bringing this into the discussion, all the same. In the meantime, we cleaned some stuff off the top of fridge #2 the other night that was so foul the mice & cockroaches have been avoiding that area. Surely this is a net positive for the space. Let us thrive - and evolve - together!</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>+11+</div>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
<p> </p></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Zancas Dearana <<a href="mailto:zancas@leastauthority.com" target="_blank">zancas@leastauthority.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:tahoe-dev@tahoe-lafs.org" target="_blank">tahoe-dev@tahoe-lafs.org</a>, <a href="mailto:p2p-hackers@lists.zooko.com" target="_blank">p2p-hackers@lists.zooko.com</a>, Noisebridge Discuss <<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>>, <a href="mailto:noisebridge-announce@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-announce@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>
Cc: <br>Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 13:30:47 -0800<br>Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Tahoe, The Least Authority File System, Thursday Night Hack Meet<br>The Tahoe Least Authority File System is a peer-to-peer system that stores<br>
data redundantly with agents who cannot read the data contents. These<br>agents are granted close to the *minimum* authority necessary to support<br>requests about the data. This design is motivated by the "Principle<br>
of Least Authority".<br><br><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_authority" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_authority</a><br><br>This Thursday (2012-12-06) at 19:00 PST, members of the Tahoe<br>
community will have<br>a physical meetup at "The Big Noisebridge Table". We'll project<br>a basic state diagram (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_diagram" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_diagram</a>) depicting<br>
the behaviour of the distributed "Lease Database" that the "storage server"<br>agents in the Tahoe network use to manage the encrypted data that they<br>store. During our meeting we'll add correct and useful content to the diagram.<br>
<br>An overview of the design, including the basic state diagram, can be found here:<br><br><a href="https://github.com/davidsarah/tahoe-lafs/blob/1819-cloud-merge/docs/proposed/leasedb.rst" target="_blank">https://github.com/davidsarah/tahoe-lafs/blob/1819-cloud-merge/docs/proposed/leasedb.rst</a><br>
<br>For a general introduction to Tahoe check this out:<br><br><a href="https://tahoe-lafs.org/" target="_blank">https://tahoe-lafs.org</a><br><br>Gimme the code!!<br><br>To understand the behavior of the "lease data base" we'll be inspecting this<br>
code (you might want to look at this before Thursday!):<br><br><a href="https://github.com/davidsarah/tahoe-lafs/tree/master/src/allmydata/" target="_blank">https://github.com/davidsarah/tahoe-lafs/tree/master/src/allmydata/</a><br>
<br>storage/leasedb.py<br>storage/account.py<br>storage/accountant.py<br>storage/accounting_crawler.py<br>storage/server.py (less important)<br><br><br>No punch... no pie... just a group building a better Information<br>
Super Highway (a series of tubes in The Cyber)!<br><br>--<br>-- ظ<br><br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: John Withers <<a href="mailto:jwithers@reddagger.org" target="_blank">jwithers@reddagger.org</a>><br>
To: rachel lyra hospodar <<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com" target="_blank">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: Noisebridge Discuss <<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>><br>
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 14:04:37 -0800<br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] New furniture<br>I love how anytime anyone disagrees with you going off on people, you<br>can never be wrong because anyone pointing out that you go over the top<br>
agro on people who intended no harm, they are evil oppressors.<br><br>It's win win and possibly one of the most brilliant perma-troll tactics<br>I have ever seen. Very nice work.<br><br><br><br>On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 15:03 -0500, rachel lyra hospodar wrote:<br>
><br>> I found this article by searching "calling out oppression" and<br>> "over-reacting".<br>> <a href="http://ab-wg.blogspot.com/2009/01/role-of-allies.html?m=1" target="_blank">http://ab-wg.blogspot.com/2009/01/role-of-allies.html?m=1</a><br>
> Maybe I should make a chart of boringly predictable oblivous<br>> responses, or a robot like lmgtfy that deflects blacklisted emails<br>> using their adjectives as search terms.<br>><br>> Because there are just so many goshdarned people playing out the same<br>
> predictable social dynamics that there are in fact rote predictable<br>> responses to these discussions.<br><br><br><br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Brian Cloutier <<a href="mailto:briancloutier2010@gmail.com" target="_blank">briancloutier2010@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: <br>Cc: Noisebridge Discuss <<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>><br>Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 16:02:00 -0800<br>Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] New furniture<br>
<div><br></div>
<div>><span style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">I think you owe him (and Josh) an apology for the unqualified harshness</span><br></div>
<div><span style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><br></span></div>
<div>><span style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">You are overreacting.</span><br></div>
<div><br></div>You guys do realize she said sorry right?
<div><br></div>
<div>> M<span style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">aybe you will all love this, as I will now make an example of my own cognitive fallacies, instead of someone else's. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">[...] I just reread my exchange with josh and while I called him out for challenging my statements rather than querying them, [...]. The wording is, in fact, a query.</span></div>
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<p style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">"After some review, it turns out that I was wrong"</p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">> How much of that set of my assumptions come from my knowledge of josh and past interactions with him? How much is rooted in other experiences I have had? In this case especially I am not really sure.</p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">"We've been dicks to each other in the past, so I made a rash judgement and assumed that pattern was continuing"</p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">> We are a sort of organic computer that constructs algorithms based on data of interactions. If everyone bases their reactions to each other on past experiences then there is some necessary noise in the system. </p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">"We are all human, and we all mistakes"<br></p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">> but what about for all those crazy feminist bitches who flip out every time you interrupt them?</p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">"Again my bad, I overreacted."</p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">> How do you deal with the ways that people act and react, especially when they are different than what you might be wanting? I deal with it by trying to imagine what their motivations are, [...]</p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">"Usually I do try to be empathetic."</p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">> Sometimes I make false conclusions based on my own preconceptions or situation. [...] One thing I like about the metacognitive-neurolinguistic-social-interaction field of study is that it begins by acknowledging this.</p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">"However this time I really messed up, and I realize that"</p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px"><br></p>
<p><font face="arial, sans-serif">This is actually a pretty damn good apology. Instead of just saying "I'm sorry" Rachel is saying what went wrong, why it happened, and by referencing science implicitly stating she'll try to do better in the future.</font></p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">So... can we back off?</p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY:arial,sans-serif;FONT-SIZE:13px">- Brian</p></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 2:04 PM, John Withers <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jwithers@reddagger.org" target="_blank">jwithers@reddagger.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote">I love how anytime anyone disagrees with you going off on people, you<br>can never be wrong because anyone pointing out that you go over the top<br>
agro on people who intended no harm, they are evil oppressors.<br><br>It's win win and possibly one of the most brilliant perma-troll tactics<br>I have ever seen. Very nice work.<br>
<div><br><br><br>On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 15:03 -0500, rachel lyra hospodar wrote:<br>><br>> I found this article by searching "calling out oppression" and<br>> "over-reacting".<br>> <a href="http://ab-wg.blogspot.com/2009/01/role-of-allies.html?m=1" target="_blank">http://ab-wg.blogspot.com/2009/01/role-of-allies.html?m=1</a><br>
> Maybe I should make a chart of boringly predictable oblivous<br>> responses, or a robot like lmgtfy that deflects blacklisted emails<br>> using their adjectives as search terms.<br>><br>> Because there are just so many goshdarned people playing out the same<br>
> predictable social dynamics that there are in fact rote predictable<br>> responses to these discussions.<br><br><br></div>
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Cc: <br>Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 19:20:54 -0800<br>Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Lab: Frontend Web Development, Thursday 8pm<br>We started looking at jQuery this week. Here are the lecture materials:<br><a href="http://jeffreyatw.com/static/frontend/series3/class9/lecture.zip" target="_blank">http://jeffreyatw.com/static/frontend/series3/class9/lecture.zip</a><br>
<br>This assignment takes an existing HTML/CSS structure and adds jQuery magic to it:<br><a href="http://jeffreyatw.com/static/frontend/series3/class9/assignment.html" target="_blank">http://jeffreyatw.com/static/frontend/series3/class9/assignment.html</a><br>
<br>The lab is a great opportunity to work on the assignment, any other<br>personal project, or ask questions about any aspect of web<br>development. You don't need to attend the lecture series to stop by.<br><br>It's in Turing on Thursday at 8pm. Hope to see you there!<br>
<a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Frontend_Web_Development#Lab" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Frontend_Web_Development#Lab</a>
<div><br>Jeffrey<br></div><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "Danny O'Brien" <<a href="mailto:danny@spesh.com" target="_blank">danny@spesh.com</a>><br>To: Noisebridge Discuss <<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>><br>
Cc: <br>Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 20:07:32 -0800<br>Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] It's a Newtonmas Five Minutes of Fame, Charlie Brown -- 5MOF returns on December 20th, send me your submissions now, this subject line is too long for most clients.<br>
Hello.<br><br>Last month's 5 minutes of fame (Noisebridge's regular opportunity to<br>show, tell, and/or rant) was fantastically awesome, and involved bad<br>singing, hard crypto, good music, piezo-electric reenactment<br>
societies, small children channelling Egyptian godheads, and WinAmp.<br><br>The next one will be on December 20th, and will be defiantly<br>unseasonal. Proposed ideas so far include a war between mushroom, wool<br>and hemp enthusiasts, live hangliding, quantum ouija, nude haskell,<br>
functional language cage fight, and so on. Clearly we need your input.<br><br>Everyone has five minutes of practical weirdosity in them, and if<br>you'd like to show off your current project, speculate wildly, or ask<br>
big time rhetorical questions, tell me now, so I can put you on the<br>rosta for the next 5mof.<br><br>You can do so by mailing me, or if you like HTML forms, go here:<br><a href="http://5mof.net/signup/" target="_blank">http://5mof.net/signup/</a><br>
<br>For those who missed last months', look, here it is, I found it on an<br>Internet: <a href="http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/27058148" target="_blank">http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/27058148</a><br><br>d.<br><br><br>
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