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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">For quicker trips, ZipVans can't be
      beat. They have those white panel vans (you know, the ones that
      scream "child molester") available by the hour.<br>
      --Casey<br>
      <br>
      On 12/7/12 11:30 AM, Andrew Byrne wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAJqrshgLGdhZFuQ710BeY2GSv_9rHXcN4_AuMsDyzFfrxaLoNw@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">Wow, thanks! I'm new here, so I'm not too familiar
      with the salvage depots; back in Baltimore, they knew me by name.
      I don't have a truck yet, so maybe I'll look on craigslist and ask
      around my social circles. If someone has a lead on ways to
      transport large heavy objects across the bay, I'm all ears.<br>
      best<br>
      -AnB<br>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:05 AM, rachel
          lyra hospodar <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com" target="_blank">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <p>Building resources in sf and urban ore in east bay sell
              big hunks of wood, if you wanted to go that route. The
              Reuse People in Alameda do deconstruction rather than
              taking donations, so they tend to have even larger-scale
              stuff, as well as lots more unused construction overages.</p>
            <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
                <p>R.</p>
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                <div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 6, 2012 12:39 PM,
                  "Andrew Byrne" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:andrew@pachakutech.com" target="_blank">andrew@pachakutech.com</a>>
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                    Sometimes it's fun to be a bitch, but amyl nitrate
                    is hard to come by.<br>
                    <br>
                    Still looking for those big pieces of wood; will be
                    up in the Presidio today, so maybe I'll get lucky. <br>
                    =]<br>
                    -AnB<br>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at
                        6:02 PM, Tony Longshanks LeTigre <span
                          dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:anthonyletigre@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank">anthonyletigre@gmail.com</a>></span>
                        wrote:<br>
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                          I had one more thing to add, after reading
                          more of this thread:
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                          <div><b>Are you kidding? I <i>love</i>
                              bitches!</b> One of my personalities is a
                            total Joan Crawford, ice-cold bitch on
                            rollerblades. My other personalities hate
                            her.</div>
                          <div><br>
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                          <div>It's a good thing I'll never have
                            children.
                            <div>
                              <div><br>
                                <br>
                                <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 6,
                                  2012 at 1:58 AM, Tony Longshanks
                                  LeTigre <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:anthonyletigre@gmail.com"
                                      target="_blank">anthonyletigre@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                  wrote:<br>
                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                    style="margin:0 0 0
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                                    solid;padding-left:1ex">I had not
                                    seen or read the apology message
                                    before I posted my message. I've
                                    been too busy to read most of the
                                    posts lately, but I skim them to
                                    keep a handle on what's going on at
                                    least. I saw something that made me
                                    react & didn't have or take the
                                    time to read exhaustively through
                                    the thread. I apologize if my
                                    response seemed "aggro," it was
                                    intended as criticism but not a
                                    full-frontal attack & certainly
                                    not a troll post; actually I made an
                                    effort to end it on a positive,
                                    forward-moving note. I will try to
                                    be more exhaustive in reading before
                                    responding in future.
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                                    <div>+11+
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                                        <div><br>
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                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                            Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:02 PM,
                                            Brian Cloutier <span
                                              dir="ltr"><<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:briancloutier2010@gmail.com"
                                                target="_blank">briancloutier2010@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                            wrote:<br>
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                                                <div>><span
                                                    style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I
                                                    think you owe him
                                                    (and Josh) an
                                                    apology for the
                                                    unqualified
                                                    harshness</span><br>
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                                                <div><span
                                                    style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
                                                  </span></div>
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                                              <div>><span
                                                  style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">You
                                                  are overreacting.</span><br>
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                                              <div><br>
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                                              You guys do realize she
                                              said sorry right?
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>> M<span
                                                  style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">aybe
                                                  you will all love
                                                  this, as I will now
                                                  make an example of my
                                                  own cognitive
                                                  fallacies, instead of
                                                  someone else's. </span><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">[...] I just reread
                                                  my exchange with josh
                                                  and while I called him
                                                  out for challenging my
                                                  statements rather than
                                                  querying them, [...].
                                                  The wording is, in
                                                  fact, a query.</span></div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p
                                                  style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">"After
                                                  some review, it turns
                                                  out that I was wrong"</p>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p
                                                    style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>  How
                                                    much of that set of
                                                    my assumptions come
                                                    from my knowledge of
                                                    josh and past
                                                    interactions with
                                                    him? How much is
                                                    rooted in other
                                                    experiences I have
                                                    had?  In this case
                                                    especially I am not
                                                    really sure.</p>
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                                                <p
                                                  style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">"We've
                                                  been dicks to each
                                                  other in the past, so
                                                  I made a rash
                                                  judgement and assumed
                                                  that pattern was
                                                  continuing"</p>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p
                                                    style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
                                                    > We are a sort
                                                    of organic computer
                                                    that constructs
                                                    algorithms based on
                                                    data of
                                                    interactions. If
                                                    everyone bases their
                                                    reactions to each
                                                    other on past
                                                    experiences then
                                                    there is some
                                                    necessary noise in
                                                    the system. </p>
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                                                <p
                                                  style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
                                                  "We are all human, and
                                                  we all mistakes"<br>
                                                </p>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p
                                                    style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> but
                                                    what about for all
                                                    those crazy feminist
                                                    bitches who flip out
                                                    every time you
                                                    interrupt them?</p>
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                                                <p
                                                  style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
                                                  "Again my bad, I
                                                  overreacted."</p>
                                                <p
                                                  style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> How
                                                  do you deal with the
                                                  ways that people act
                                                  and react, especially
                                                  when they are
                                                  different than what
                                                  you might be
                                                  wanting? I deal with
                                                  it by trying to
                                                  imagine what their
                                                  motivations are, [...]</p>
                                                <p
                                                  style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">"Usually
                                                  I do try to be
                                                  empathetic."</p>
                                                <p
                                                  style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> Sometimes
                                                  I make false
                                                  conclusions based on
                                                  my own preconceptions
                                                  or situation.
                                                  [...]  One thing I
                                                  like about the
                                                  metacognitive-neurolinguistic-social-interaction
                                                  field of study is that
                                                  it begins by
                                                  acknowledging this.</p>
                                                <p
                                                  style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">"However
                                                  this time I really
                                                  messed up, and I
                                                  realize that"</p>
                                                <p
                                                  style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
                                                </p>
                                                <p><font face="arial,
                                                    sans-serif">This is
                                                    actually a pretty
                                                    damn good apology.
                                                    Instead of just
                                                    saying "I'm sorry"
                                                    Rachel is saying
                                                    what went wrong, why
                                                    it happened, and by
                                                    referencing
                                                    science implicitly stating
                                                    she'll try to do
                                                    better in the
                                                    future.</font></p>
                                                <p
                                                  style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">So...
                                                  can we back off?</p>
                                                <span><font
                                                    color="#888888">
                                                    <p
                                                      style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">-
                                                      Brian</p>
                                                  </font></span></div>
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                                                    <div>On Tue, Dec 4,
                                                      2012 at 2:04 PM,
                                                      John Withers <span
                                                        dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jwithers@reddagger.org"
                                                          target="_blank">jwithers@reddagger.org</a>></span>
                                                      wrote:<br>
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                                                      <div>I love how
                                                        anytime anyone
                                                        disagrees with
                                                        you going off on
                                                        people, you<br>
                                                        can never be
                                                        wrong because
                                                        anyone pointing
                                                        out that you go
                                                        over the top<br>
                                                        agro on people
                                                        who intended no
                                                        harm, they are
                                                        evil oppressors.<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        It's win win and
                                                        possibly one of
                                                        the most
                                                        brilliant
                                                        perma-troll
                                                        tactics<br>
                                                        I have ever
                                                        seen. Very nice
                                                        work.<br>
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                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On Tue,
                                                          2012-12-04 at
                                                          15:03 -0500,
                                                          rachel lyra
                                                          hospodar
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > I found
                                                          this article
                                                          by searching
                                                          "calling out
                                                          oppression"
                                                          and<br>
                                                          >
                                                          "over-reacting".<br>
                                                          > <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ab-wg.blogspot.com/2009/01/role-of-allies.html?m=1"
                                                          target="_blank">http://ab-wg.blogspot.com/2009/01/role-of-allies.html?m=1</a><br>
                                                          > Maybe I
                                                          should make a
                                                          chart of
                                                          boringly
                                                          predictable
                                                          oblivous<br>
                                                          >
                                                          responses, or
                                                          a robot like
                                                          lmgtfy that
                                                          deflects
                                                          blacklisted
                                                          emails<br>
                                                          > using
                                                          their
                                                          adjectives as
                                                          search terms.<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > Because
                                                          there are just
                                                          so many
                                                          goshdarned
                                                          people playing
                                                          out the same<br>
                                                          >
                                                          predictable
                                                          social
                                                          dynamics that
                                                          there are in
                                                          fact rote
                                                          predictable<br>
                                                          > responses
                                                          to these
                                                          discussions.<br>
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