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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">For quicker trips, ZipVans can't be
beat. They have those white panel vans (you know, the ones that
scream "child molester") available by the hour.<br>
--Casey<br>
<br>
On 12/7/12 11:30 AM, Andrew Byrne wrote:<br>
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<blockquote
cite="mid:CAJqrshgLGdhZFuQ710BeY2GSv_9rHXcN4_AuMsDyzFfrxaLoNw@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Wow, thanks! I'm new here, so I'm not too familiar
with the salvage depots; back in Baltimore, they knew me by name.
I don't have a truck yet, so maybe I'll look on craigslist and ask
around my social circles. If someone has a lead on ways to
transport large heavy objects across the bay, I'm all ears.<br>
best<br>
-AnB<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:05 AM, rachel
lyra hospodar <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com" target="_blank">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<p>Building resources in sf and urban ore in east bay sell
big hunks of wood, if you wanted to go that route. The
Reuse People in Alameda do deconstruction rather than
taking donations, so they tend to have even larger-scale
stuff, as well as lots more unused construction overages.</p>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<p>R.</p>
</font></span>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 6, 2012 12:39 PM,
"Andrew Byrne" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:andrew@pachakutech.com" target="_blank">andrew@pachakutech.com</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
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Sometimes it's fun to be a bitch, but amyl nitrate
is hard to come by.<br>
<br>
Still looking for those big pieces of wood; will be
up in the Presidio today, so maybe I'll get lucky. <br>
=]<br>
-AnB<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at
6:02 PM, Tony Longshanks LeTigre <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:anthonyletigre@gmail.com"
target="_blank">anthonyletigre@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
I had one more thing to add, after reading
more of this thread:
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b>Are you kidding? I <i>love</i>
bitches!</b> One of my personalities is a
total Joan Crawford, ice-cold bitch on
rollerblades. My other personalities hate
her.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It's a good thing I'll never have
children.
<div>
<div><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 6,
2012 at 1:58 AM, Tony Longshanks
LeTigre <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:anthonyletigre@gmail.com"
target="_blank">anthonyletigre@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0
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solid;padding-left:1ex">I had not
seen or read the apology message
before I posted my message. I've
been too busy to read most of the
posts lately, but I skim them to
keep a handle on what's going on at
least. I saw something that made me
react & didn't have or take the
time to read exhaustively through
the thread. I apologize if my
response seemed "aggro," it was
intended as criticism but not a
full-frontal attack & certainly
not a troll post; actually I made an
effort to end it on a positive,
forward-moving note. I will try to
be more exhaustive in reading before
responding in future.
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<div>+11+
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<div class="gmail_quote">On
Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:02 PM,
Brian Cloutier <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:briancloutier2010@gmail.com"
target="_blank">briancloutier2010@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I
think you owe him
(and Josh) an
apology for the
unqualified
harshness</span><br>
</div>
<div><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
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<div>><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">You
are overreacting.</span><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
You guys do realize she
said sorry right?
<div><br>
</div>
<div>> M<span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">aybe
you will all love
this, as I will now
make an example of my
own cognitive
fallacies, instead of
someone else's. </span><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">[...] I just reread
my exchange with josh
and while I called him
out for challenging my
statements rather than
querying them, [...].
The wording is, in
fact, a query.</span></div>
<div>
<p
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">"After
some review, it turns
out that I was wrong"</p>
<div>
<p
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> How
much of that set of
my assumptions come
from my knowledge of
josh and past
interactions with
him? How much is
rooted in other
experiences I have
had? In this case
especially I am not
really sure.</p>
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<p
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">"We've
been dicks to each
other in the past, so
I made a rash
judgement and assumed
that pattern was
continuing"</p>
<div>
<p
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
> We are a sort
of organic computer
that constructs
algorithms based on
data of
interactions. If
everyone bases their
reactions to each
other on past
experiences then
there is some
necessary noise in
the system. </p>
</div>
<p
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
"We are all human, and
we all mistakes"<br>
</p>
<div>
<p
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> but
what about for all
those crazy feminist
bitches who flip out
every time you
interrupt them?</p>
</div>
<p
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
"Again my bad, I
overreacted."</p>
<p
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> How
do you deal with the
ways that people act
and react, especially
when they are
different than what
you might be
wanting? I deal with
it by trying to
imagine what their
motivations are, [...]</p>
<p
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">"Usually
I do try to be
empathetic."</p>
<p
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> Sometimes
I make false
conclusions based on
my own preconceptions
or situation.
[...] One thing I
like about the
metacognitive-neurolinguistic-social-interaction
field of study is that
it begins by
acknowledging this.</p>
<p
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">"However
this time I really
messed up, and I
realize that"</p>
<p
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</p>
<p><font face="arial,
sans-serif">This is
actually a pretty
damn good apology.
Instead of just
saying "I'm sorry"
Rachel is saying
what went wrong, why
it happened, and by
referencing
science implicitly stating
she'll try to do
better in the
future.</font></p>
<p
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">So...
can we back off?</p>
<span><font
color="#888888">
<p
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">-
Brian</p>
</font></span></div>
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<div>On Tue, Dec 4,
2012 at 2:04 PM,
John Withers <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jwithers@reddagger.org"
target="_blank">jwithers@reddagger.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>I love how
anytime anyone
disagrees with
you going off on
people, you<br>
can never be
wrong because
anyone pointing
out that you go
over the top<br>
agro on people
who intended no
harm, they are
evil oppressors.<br>
<br>
It's win win and
possibly one of
the most
brilliant
perma-troll
tactics<br>
I have ever
seen. Very nice
work.<br>
<div><br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue,
2012-12-04 at
15:03 -0500,
rachel lyra
hospodar
wrote:<br>
><br>
> I found
this article
by searching
"calling out
oppression"
and<br>
>
"over-reacting".<br>
> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ab-wg.blogspot.com/2009/01/role-of-allies.html?m=1"
target="_blank">http://ab-wg.blogspot.com/2009/01/role-of-allies.html?m=1</a><br>
> Maybe I
should make a
chart of
boringly
predictable
oblivous<br>
>
responses, or
a robot like
lmgtfy that
deflects
blacklisted
emails<br>
> using
their
adjectives as
search terms.<br>
><br>
> Because
there are just
so many
goshdarned
people playing
out the same<br>
>
predictable
social
dynamics that
there are in
fact rote
predictable<br>
> responses
to these
discussions.<br>
<br>
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