<div dir="ltr"><div><div><font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font>Haha. I think I'm the de facto King no matter where I go. That said, Nate and Marcia know more about the ins and outs of FOIA than I do. So if they're game, I'd love to<font> have a collaborative presentation/training. The vision of FOIA <font>Club <font>as I understand it is to empower people to file (though not necessarily litigate) their own FOIA requests<font>, on the pre<font>mise that more transparency is always better.</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font><br>
<br><font>Yes, <font>I can be there on the <font>21st<font>, a</font></font></font></font>nd I'm l<font>o<font>oking forward to it.</font></font><br><br></div><font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font>Now Danny<font>: <font>get back to me about that other thing!<br>
<br><font>Best,<br></font></font></font></font></font></font></div><font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font><font><font><font><i><font>Geoff</font></i><br></font></font></font></font></font></font></div><div class="gmail_extra">
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Danny O'Brien <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danny@spesh.com" target="_blank">danny@spesh.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
If I make you king of FOIA club, Geoff, will you forgive me for being<br>
an appalling email-replyer? Also are you free on MLK day?<br>
<br>
d.<br>
(The first rule of FOIA club is that information regarding FOIA club<br>
is exempt from disclosure pursuant to the fourth, fifth and six<br>
exemptions of the FOIA Act (5 U.S.C. Section 552(b)(4),(5),(6)).<br>
Subsequent rules are exempt from disclosure pursuant to the second<br>
exemption (5 U.S.C. 552(b)(2)))<br>
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On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Marcia Hofmann <<a href="mailto:marcia@eff.org">marcia@eff.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Absolutely! Cc'ing Geoff to loop him in.<br>
><br>
> (And Danny -- I deeply admire your use of the word "eldritch.")<br>
><br>
> On 12/19/12 12:27 PM, Morgan Mayhem wrote:<br>
>> Ok, so I know that Geoff King was keen to run FOIA club. So I don't want to<br>
>> jump the gun here...<br>
>><br>
>> It might be good to contact him :)<br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Danny O'Brien <<a href="mailto:danny@spesh.com">danny@spesh.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Okay, I got a couple of the best EFFish FOIA peeps to come along<br>
>>> (hullo Marcia and Nate!). We'll meet up at Noisebridge at 7 on 1/21,<br>
>>> do a Want/Offer Wall and a Goals/Wish List Wall, and then brainstorm<br>
>>> some FOIA requests of our own (bring your ideas). Then we will go eat<br>
>>> somewhere DELICIOUS<br>
>>><br>
>>> I will send reminders closer to the date...<br>
>>><br>
>>> (For those following along at home: OpenITP (<a href="http://openitp.org/" target="_blank">http://openitp.org/</a>) are<br>
>>> some extremely smart people who work on open source tools and<br>
>>> resources for activists and journalists, and who are mostly based out<br>
>>> of New York, where there's a growing community of such people. We're<br>
>>> talking about spinning up an equivalent to their monthly meet-up and<br>
>>> hacking session. FOIA == Freedom of Information Act requests, which<br>
>>> are a fascinating and eldritch way to map out the capabilities and<br>
>>> practices of, for instance, the surveillance state. A good resource<br>
>>> for how to do it yourself is here:<br>
>>> <a href="https://www.eff.org/issues/transparency" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/issues/transparency</a> . Want/Offer is where we put<br>
>>> up a big pile of post-its on a wall saying you want something or you<br>
>>> have something to offer and... ohhhh that would be a good permanent<br>
>>> thing to have at Noisebridge, wouldn't it?)<br>
>>><br>
>>> d.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Morgan Mayhem<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:informationwarfare@gmail.com">informationwarfare@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> A few of us that were recently at the Surveillance and Human Rights Camp<br>
>>> in<br>
>>>> Rio have been discussing starting FOIA club. This might not be a bad<br>
>>> venue<br>
>>>> for this.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Ari Lacenski <<a href="mailto:alacenski@gmail.com">alacenski@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Roll call for causes under discussion?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I have a new political hobby-horse, that dear trope of de-escalation<br>
>>>>> within "public" services. Unfuck The Police, maybe I'll call it.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Brainstorming in re: that theme is therefore interesting to me.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Ari<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Danny O'Brien <<a href="mailto:danny@spesh.com">danny@spesh.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>> Morgan Mayhem just suggested that we do a San Francisco version of<br>
>>> this:<br>
>>>>>> <a href="http://wiki.openitp.org/techno-activism_3rd_mondays" target="_blank">http://wiki.openitp.org/techno-activism_3rd_mondays</a><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I very badly want to do this. The next one would be on inauguration<br>
>>>>>> day *and* MLK day,<br>
>>>>>> so that seems timely.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Anyone else in?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> d.<br>
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>>>>><br>
>>>>> --<br>
>>>>> Seek not the favor of the multitude; it is seldom got by honest and<br>
>>> lawful<br>
>>>>> means. But seek the testimony of few; and number not voices, but weigh<br>
>>> them<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>><br>
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