Hey Gardner,<br><br>Ping's working with the EFF. The FOIA request was written with our help.<br><br>d.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 11:27 AM, gardner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gardner@invulnerable.org" target="_blank">gardner@invulnerable.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Ping,<br>
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In the past, I have found that the best way to attract unwanted surveillance attention was to seek nuclear fuel to create an autonomous trans-oceanic submarine that would smuggle tens of thousands of pounds of cocaine across international borders while remaining undetected from all but the most happenstance of coincident. Hah! Just kidding. You want to prove the FBI is lying. Not do something illegal to then be sure that the FBI would have records.<br>
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Now in all seriousness: Do you have reasonable cause to believe that the FBI has a file on Noisebridge? That wifi AP labeled "FBI Surveillance Van" was a joke.<br>
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If you do have a reasonable suspicion then the bad news is that if the FBI did have anything on NB then it is probably classified under some cyber-security-paranoid-<u></u>asshole secret level and the FBI would have no problem straight-up violating the FOIA using some (probably secret) interpretation of a recent law that any reasonable person would agree is totally ludicrous and unconstitutional. The burden of proof then falls on you. You will experience success appealing when you have reasonable proof that the response from the FBI is incorrect. The support of lawyers could not hurt. Lawyers generally hang out at the EFF, NLG, ACLU, and ACLU Northern California.<br>
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Chances are the things that are of interest to the powers that be are handled by other TLAs which operate under different grants of (probably illegal) power.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 05:42:34 -0800 (PST), Ka-Ping Yee wrote:<br>
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I posted the reply that I got from the FBI:<br>
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<a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/FOIA_letter" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/<u></u>wiki/FOIA_letter</a><br>
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They said they couldn't find anything. Any suggestions on what next?<br>
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--Ping<br>
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