<p dir="ltr">I know some open source sandbox scheduling apps. Having someone at regular hours might inspire people to pick up the slack in the non-regular hours. Personally, I always thought there was a pretty strong culture of greeting the newcomer or acknowledging the familiar, but maybe I see things differently than the concerned. -dru</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 23, 2013 5:23 AM, "Eric W. Rasmussen" <<a href="mailto:ewr@majortek.com">ewr@majortek.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<b style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:start;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px">
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal">I’ve
been watching this thread for a few days and I am disheartened
to see that nothing has changed at Noisebridge. The same
problems arise every few months and the same excuses /
solutions are proposed. People talk and talk but nothing ever
gets done. I left almost six months ago due to the problems
being discussed and, coincidentally, some health issues. I’ve
been considering a return but am having second thoughts.</span></p>
</b><br>
<b style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:start;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal"></span>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal">Noisebridge
is a “Do-ocracy” in name but not in practice. I remember when
I was new and had a question, a few of the veterans were
openly hostile or apathetic. I decided to be the opposite<b>.</b></span></p>
</b><br>
<b style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:start;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal"></span>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal">It
seems like almost every time I tried to improve the space I
got criticized in some way for my efforts. Once, I spent 16
hours cleaning up Hacker Alley. It was a wreck and I found the
world supply of CAT5 in the process. Although I recieved a few
appreciative comments, I received more complaints about how I
didn’t organize it correctly (or that I shouldn’t throw away
“junk”). I should remind you that I was relatively new and no
one helped me... at all.</span></p>
</b><br>
<b style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:start;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal"></span>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal">People
complain about “sleepers” in the space, but when I tried to
kick one out I got very little support. The incident almost
resulted in physical violence. Everyone in the area just<b> </b>ignored
the situation. The belly aching about the sleeping problem had
been festering for weeks at the Tuesday meetings and I decided
to do something about it. Did I receive any appreciation for
kicking someone out that was already banned? NOPE.</span></p>
</b><br>
<b style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:start;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal"></span>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal">One
time I decided to sweep and mop the entire space. It took
about 3 hours. When I reached the Hackatorium, the occupants
didn’t even notice that I was trying to reach under the table.
No wonder there is a theft problem. Everyone is so damned
obtuse to their surroundings.</span></p>
</b><br>
<b style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:start;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal"></span>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal">One
night I had too many possessions and couldn’t carry it all
home on my bicycle. Absentmindedly, I had bought some stuff at
the thrift store and also had three computers because I had
just given my Linux class. I decided that I would leave my
netbook in its leather briefcase on the Arduino shelf, which I
was asked to help curate. I figured it would be safe
overnight. NOPE. One of the members saw it on the shelf and
took it out to the main work table.... where he left it
unattended for hours (I have witnesses). Another user
recognized it as mine and took it. I learned that my laptop
had grown legs the next morning via email. I was ultimately
blamed for this “theft” by not only the member that removed
it, but by others as well. I was told that I shouldn’t have
put anything on the “Member” shelf because I am not a
“Member”. The member went so far as to say that he thought it
was a donation.</span></p>
</b><br>
<b style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:start;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal"></span>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal">Once,
I caught a chronic thief steal money out of a donation box.
Did he get banned? NOPE. When an entire donation box was
stolen, I took it upon myself to construct cables and locks to
secure them. Also, I replaced the stolen one. When I tried to
hand the keys to THE PRESIDENT of Noisebridge, she looked at
me like I was some kind of asshole. I only asked her because
Danny didn’t want the responsibility of having keys to the
cash. Somehow, by replacing and securing the donation boxes
using my own money, I became responsible for collecting the
donations as well. And let’s not forget the cries, “We don’t
believe in locks, man!”. Is that so? Well, I don’t believe in
theives and I left the keys with a non-member on my last day.
I hope you got them. Did anyone thank me for that? NOPE.</span></p>
</b><br>
<b style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:start;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal"></span>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal">I was
usually willing to give a thorough and cheerful tour for
newcomers. Sometimes I gave as many as 4-5 tours a day.
Sometimes it was a burden, but it was one of my ways of giving
back because I’m poor. At the end of every tour I would say,
"OK. Hang out. Talk to people. If you have any questions I'll
be over there".<b> </b>Once I met a very smart, nice woman
that I dated for a short while. Greeting people at the door is
a great way to meet interesting people. That’s all I’m saying.</span></p>
</b><br>
<b style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:start;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px">
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal">I get
it. Nerds are socially retarded. Weev, for instance. Why that
asshole was never banned escapes me. People that defend that
bigoted narcissist just don’t know him very well. It’s one
thing to tell a joke that pokes fun at particular groups of
people, it’s another to flaunt words like, “Faggot”, “Nigger”
and “Bitch”, and mean it.</span></p>
</b><br>
<b style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:start;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal"></span>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal">The
door is not the problem. There are six different ways to enter
Noisebridge.</span></p>
</b><br>
<b style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:start;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal"></span>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal">A key</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal">A code</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal">Pony
URL</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal">Android
App (also Pony)</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal">Buzzing
in</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal">Being
let in at the gate by someone else</span></p>
</b><br>
<b style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:start;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal"></span>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal">Solution:</span></p>
</b><br>
<b style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:start;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal"></span>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal">Always
have a Floor Monitor on duty. When one leaves, a new person is
elected. A TRUSTED person. This person would leave what he/she
is doing once an hour (or so) and walk the space to make sure
no one is sleeping/stealing. This person would moderate any
disputes that arise, if any. In fact, it would be a good way
of making someone with a limited income an “Honorary Member”.
Shifts could be established. Would this person get paid? NOPE.
It’s quid pro quo. It could also be part of the Membership
petition. If a person wants to become a member they have to be
a monitor for 8 hours a week for a month. I’m just grabbing
numbers out of the air.</span></p>
</b><br>
<b style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:start;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal"></span>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal">“But
that doesn’t jive with my anarchistic ideology”, says the
Chaos Major. Whatever...</span></p>
</b><br>
<b style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:start;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal"></span></b><br>
<b style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:start;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal"></span>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal">The
problem is that no one is taking responsibility for the space.
Have I ever refused to let someone in? You betcha. Why?
Because I didn’t know them and/or like their demeanor. I
didn’t want to be responsible for them. It only happened a
couple of times. But on the most part, I engaged people.</span></p>
</b><br>
<b style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:start;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal"></span>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal">You
don’t have to act like the fucking TSA to have security and
personal safety. You have to pay attention to the people
around you and act on your instincts. You don’t have to be
harsh, either. If someone is breaking a rule, correct it. If
someone is not being EXCELLENT, call them on it (ahem, weev).
Noisebridge lacks civility and authority.</span></p>
</b><br>
<b style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:start;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px">
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal"></span></p>
</b><br>
<b style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:start;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px">
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal"></span></p>
</b><b style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:start;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px">
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal">ACT AS
IF</span></p>
</b><br>
<b style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:start;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px"></b><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal">I'll keep
watching the discuss list and decide at a later date if I want to
return.</span><br>
<b style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:start;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px">
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-family:Arial;font-weight:normal"></span></p>
</b><br>
</div>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>
<a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div>