<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">police are not all bad all of the time </span><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">*yes. they are.<br><br></span></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>Please do not suggest things that are harmful to the community and the space. </span><br>
</div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">*'they'(police) are harmful to every community thus this includes and is microcosmic to a hackerspace and/or anywhere else free and open...</span></div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Ronald Cotoni <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:setient@gmail.com" target="_blank">setient@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">What. This is a HUGE problem. I have major issues with this since the community is unable to police itself. This is DANGEROUS. We have had some issues in the past, like Susan getting sexually assaulted at a hackmeet where it would have been prudent to call the police. Or when Shawn (spelling) L, was in the space. This is just plain dangerous. Please do not suggest things that are harmful to the community and the space. <div>
<br></div><div>A better suggestion would be to let them in but let them know that they can and WILL be recorded from the second they come in and then do so. Again, police are not all bad all of the time especially since we are unable to police ourselves. </div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:32 PM, maestro <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:maestro415@gmail.com" target="_blank">maestro415@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">NEVER let the police pass the downstairs locked door.<div>if you can, have someone stay downstairs that can keep them out and door shut.</div>
<div>if people involved in incident need to go in and out have the person let them in and out saying out loud "WE ARE NOT letting any police in" (they will do everything they can to get inside) and they aren't allowed to come in (great to have on film if they do).<br>
<div><br></div><div>IF they have to be called (which should be EXTREMELY RARE), make them wait outside as in the example of the bikes or other theft it is NOT theft until it LEAVES the property (same as retail stores) and you can open the space to law suits.</div>
<div><br></div><div>you also NEVER want to let the police in because as soon as you do, they can say they were let in and have more leverage to do lots of other shit in the space that isn't even related to the call.</div>
<div><br></div><div>for documentation for NB to have:</div><div>~ get the CAD number from the dispatcher on the phone</div><div>~ get the dispatcher name and badge #</div><div>~ get the names and badge #'s of ALL cops that arrive (and car #'s)</div>
<div>~ whenever possible film the whole time with audio making sure to get ALL their faces as well </div></div><div><br></div><div>if 'someone' lets them in, make them stay in one spot at the door(top) not walk around.</div>
<div>if they try to walk around say "what are you doing? nothing happened over there please talk to us HERE (door-top)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>message ends</div><div>______________________________________________________________________________________________</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Sai <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:i@s.ai" target="_blank">i@s.ai</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I would strongly advise against "donating" any abandoned bikes. You do<br>
not own them; that would be considered theft until the time for<br>
reclaiming them runs out officially, which can be years. (I tried<br>
looking through CA law just now to figure out what period applies, and<br>
it's not clear.)<br>
<br>
Turn them over to the police instead. I think they give you the option<br>
of "I want to have it if it's unclaimed".<br>
<br>
While we're at it: register your bikes with the police, so that your<br>
bike does get turned in, they call you. ;-)<br>
<br>
jof: The bikes did not seem to be locked when he removed them. One<br>
person thought he saw the person unchain a bike (presumably using a<br>
key), but wasn't sure about it.<br>
<br>
Nick: We weren't sure enough that they *weren't* his to physically<br>
stop him from taking them. The only other legal option would have been<br>
to call the police immediately, delay him from taking the bikes, and<br>
have them sort out ownership. My guess is that he'd've been arrested<br>
for drug somethingorother had police been called. We had about 30<br>
seconds to decide what to do.<br>
<span><font color="#888888"><br>
- Sai<br>
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On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Ben Kochie <<a href="mailto:superq@gmail.com" target="_blank">superq@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
</div><div><div>> I think I am going to start putting date stamp tags on bikes that look<br>
> abandoned after the Tuesday meetings. Bikes that have not moved will be<br>
> photographed and removed at the next meeting. They will be donated to the<br>
> bike kitchen.<br>
><br>
> On Apr 10, 2013 8:38 PM, "Sai" <<a href="mailto:i@s.ai" target="_blank">i@s.ai</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Someone who seemed to be significantly disturbed (tweaking?) was just<br>
>> hustled out of Noisebridge and asked not to return except at a<br>
>> meeting.<br>
>><br>
>> He took with him several bikes that he claimed to have been working<br>
>> on. We're not sure whether they were in fact his, or whether he just<br>
>> stole them.<br>
>><br>
>> Here's short video of him leaving: <a href="http://youtu.be/r1hGw_dL90Q" target="_blank">http://youtu.be/r1hGw_dL90Q</a> (sorry<br>
>> I didn't get better footage).<br>
>><br>
>> 1. If you can confirm who owns the bikes in the video, or who the<br>
>> person is, please speak up.<br>
>><br>
>> 2. If you are storing your bike at Noisebridge, please lock it, and<br>
>> please label it prominently with your name.<br>
>><br>
>> 3. Please don't store your bike at Noisebridge for long periods of<br>
>> time, or we will probably think it's abandoned property.<br>
>><br>
>> When something like this happens, we have very little time to decide<br>
>> how to respond appropriately.<br>
>><br>
>> It would be very helpful for us to have an easy way whom a bike<br>
>> belongs to, so that we know whether we're dealing with a thief (in<br>
>> which case I would call the police to make an arrest) vs someone who's<br>
>> just being a dick with the space (in which case I think it's<br>
>> appropriate to ask them to leave).<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>> - Sai<br>
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