<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>From a philosophy professor, I believe, on a radio show I was listening to:</div><div><br></div><div>"Epistemic violence" : violence caused by knowledge. </div><div><br></div><div>The example he gave was when a woman gets in an elevator with a black man and looks frightened because she thinks a black man is likely to assault her. When he sees her fear, then his knowledge that his skin color frightens people is an act of epistemic violence against him.</div><div><br></div><div>I get the feeling that some people try to apply the term "violence" to things because violence is agreed by most people to be bad, and should be stopped, so that label will make people try to stop something.<br><br>Thanks,<div><br></div><div>gopi@iPad</div></div><div><br>On Apr 11, 2013, at 11:30, Robert Fletcher <<a href="mailto:lobatifricha@gmail.com">lobatifricha@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">According to Wikipedia: ""the use of physical force or power" should be understood to include <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neglect" title="Neglect">neglect</a> and all types of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_abuse" title="Physical abuse">physical</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse" title="Sexual abuse">sexual</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_abuse" title="Psychological abuse">psychological</a> abuse, as well as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide" title="Suicide">suicide</a> and other <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-abuse" title="Self-abuse" class="">self-abusive</a> acts."</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Mitchel McAllister <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:xonimmortal@yahoo.com" target="_blank">xonimmortal@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font:inherit" valign="top">You can discuss oppression, discrimination, and privilege, but that is not violence, except in the most abstract sense of the word.<br>
<br>And as far as "no one would agree with" - I'm agreeing with Random House, Oxford Press, Webster, etc.<br><br>- Reverend Mik McAllister<br><hr>"You can see the summit but you can't reach it<br>Its the last piece of the puzzle but you just can't make it fit<br>
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<i><<a href="mailto:andrew@pachakutech.com" target="_blank">andrew@pachakutech.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px"><br>From: Andrew Byrne <<a href="mailto:andrew@pachakutech.com" target="_blank">andrew@pachakutech.com</a>><div class="im">
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Date: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 11:15 AM<div><div class="h5"><br><br><div><p dir="ltr">That's one definition of violence I think no one would agree with and demonstrates a political ignorance born of privilege; how can you deny the oppression we enact on countless third world workers through our internet? -dru</p>
<div>On Apr 11, 2013 10:11 AM, "Mitchel McAllister" <<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=xonimmortal@yahoo.com" target="_blank">xonimmortal@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Violence is typically defined as physical, injurious force. I have seen no violence at Noisebridge - not even during the Scud and Chrissie soap opera.<br>
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The behavior is definitely unexcellent. It is disruptive, as in interrupting or disturbing things that are going on in the space.<br>
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--- On Wed, 4/10/13, Andrew Byrne <<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=andrew@pachakutech.com" target="_blank">andrew@pachakutech.com</a>> wrote:<br>
Nope, it's most definitely a violence towards others to not speak up when Twitchy McJunkie decides to take a post-burrito nap during the physics class visit. It's also violence towards others who leave b/c we tolerate the presence of ignorant uggles with no interest in hacking or self-improvement--those who don't care when their joissance overflows into other's work space.<br>
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Don't minimize the pain... I came in this morning and promptly left instead of addressing the sleeping corpses and smoking on the balcony, and I'm rather stoic about such things.<br>
Point being, it's violence either way.<br>
-dru<br>
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