<div dir="ltr">FWIW, I stand by what I said in the OP. If I believe someone in the space is stealing something, I will call the police on them. I will also call the police for things such as assault.<div><br></div><div style>
I should note that I'm also the guy making cards informing people about how to assert their rights with police. I am a strong fan of constitutional rights and protecting oneself from wrongful or overreaching police action.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>But when it comes to getting someone to take care of violent behavior that harms me or others in my community, that's who gets the job. I don't believe in vigilantism or omertà.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style><div>Ultimately it will always come down to a decision made by any of up to five or so people who have maybe a minute to decide (often more like 20 seconds once they even realize what's going on). When shit happens, it is simply not a time for consensus.</div>
</div><div style><br></div><div style>My concern is that people making such decisions in the moment (including me) have enough information to make an informed judgment about whether they are dealing with theft; legal but unwanted behavior; or just the amount of craziness that we routinely tolerate.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>- Sai</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Ken M. Haggerty <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kenmhaggerty@gmail.com" target="_blank">kenmhaggerty@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Sorry for the ambiguity and too-quick response.<div><br></div><div>While I understand and appreciate trepidation and good judgment when deciding to involve the police or any government agencies, Noisebridge will cease to be a place where I am comfortable if safety-critical help is delayed or forbidden from anyone at Noisebridge because of another member's well- or ill-found paranoia.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Maestro's original email outlining protocol was fine by me, but subsequent emails including the notion of "the police are harmful to every community" are worrisome. I always worry about anyone who deals in absolutes, regardless of political leanings.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I still don't have any good answers to the safety situation other than moving Noisebridge out of the Mission (which seems implausible for now) or other ideas that go against Noisebridge's anarchistic and open culture.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I don't believe turning unclaimed bikes over to police means that the police have to enter Noisebridge, but I am unfamiliar with such procedure so others should clarify if that is the case.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<div><br></div><div>-Ken</div></font></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Mitchel McAllister <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:xonimmortal@yahoo.com" target="_blank">xonimmortal@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">
Are you talking about maestro's counter-counter-counter-counter-culture-culture stance, or Ron's statement?<div>
<br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 4/11/13, Ken M. Haggerty <i><<a href="mailto:kenmhaggerty@gmail.com" target="_blank">kenmhaggerty@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px">
If we have such idiotic policies in place then I will certainly cease to be a part of Noisebridge.<div><div dir="ltr"><div>-Ken</div></div><div><br><br></div></div></blockquote></div></td></tr></tbody></table><br></div></div>
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