<div dir="ltr">So, it's explicitly forbidden for us in the lease to go up on the roof. We have an explicit carefully negotiated exemption for fitting aerials, but email rack before even thinking about doing that. <br><br>
Here is our lease, for later endless discussion and Internet lawyering.<br><a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/images/e/ef/2169_Mission_signed_lease-cleaned.pdf">https://www.noisebridge.net/images/e/ef/2169_Mission_signed_lease-cleaned.pdf</a><br>
<br>Don't smoke on the fire escape because the smoke gets back in the space, it drops ashes on our downstairs neighbours' oranges, and it makes our other neighbours' child ill. They've both explicitly asked us not to smoke up there, and we try very hard to be excellent to our neighbours. Please smoke downstairs and away from the door of the space. <br>
<br>Please explain to people smoking next to the giant "Please no smoking!" signs, in a pleasant, carefree manner, exactly why it is not nice to do that, and ask them to go downstairs and smoke. Please ask them to tell their friends why they should not smoke. A child's asthma is often more convincing to strangers than interpretations of the San Francisco Fire Code.<br>
<br>These are good enough reasons, I hope.<br><br>d.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Sai <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:noisebridge@saizai.com" target="_blank">noisebridge@saizai.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">FWIW, I remember from when we moved in that our landlord did ask us to not hang out on the roof (vs being there to install something or the like).<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div>
<br></div><div>- sai</div></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:54 PM, Ken M. Haggerty <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kenmhaggerty@gmail.com" target="_blank">kenmhaggerty@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Again, you won't get in trouble unless:<div>[_] It is against the landlord's policy and the landlord sees you or learns otherwise</div><div>[_] It is against Noisebridge policy (I don't think it is?) and someone else asks you to come back in.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I would guess that it would be similar to standing on a roof or other non-intentional space. There is no law against standing on your roof (otherwise you wouldn't be able to clean your roof and gutters) but if you live in a shared building most landlords will forbid it. I would guess that the same applies to fire escapes; e.g., my lease forbids me from standing on the fire escape other than to escape fires. In terms of the law, you would only become an obstruction if you become immobilized and/or block the exit.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I am not familiar with Noisebridge's lease.<span></span></div><div><br></div><div>-Ken<br><br>On Friday, April 12, 2013, Curtis Gagliardi wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">"If you're flammable and have legs you're never blocking a fire exit" - Mitch Hedberg (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDrzCaC8qzc" target="_blank">Mitch Hedberg - Fire Exit</a>).<div>
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<br>I'm with Josh in not wanting to smell smoke from the fire exit, but I like going out there occasionally for a few minutes. I don't particularly care if I'm violating the fire code or not. Should I? If someone gets in trouble for it, is it on the individual or is it on Noisebridge? Either way, what's the penalty in the rare case that something comes of it?</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Mitchel McAllister <span dir="ltr"><<a>xonimmortal@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font:inherit" valign="top">Okay, so far, in answer to the question posed autocratically in the original poster's message and the subject line, we have the following:<br>
<br>maestro wants the police, anybody who looks like police, and anyone who talks to police excluded<br><br>Andrew wants anyone using a dictionary or other sources excluded, and also wants his time back.<br><br>Aly wants... what? Not sure. I think it has to do with how the police are secretly writing fire codes and building codes.<br>
<br>If anybody wants to sit down and rationally discuss ways we can encourage more excellent behavior and stop enabling bad behavior, I am in Turing.<br><br>If you want to whine and complain, I'm on the fire escape.<div>
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