Well, let's start off from the fact that you would have to be inside the space to do it. And you would try to invigilate NBers like that, you would have to be there all the time. So somebody would definitely notice you! I'm pretty sure a bunch of programmers and computer geeks at NB can notice if you are up to some malicious activities by accidently glancing at your screen when passing by. Especially if you are there long enough to stealth spy NBers.<div>
<br></div><div>Besides, the same argument applies to the video feed which we already have. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be very hard for you somebody to set up a small camera somewhere in the space directed and zoomed on the screen for such malicious purposes. There is a lot of hardware laying around at NB, I'm sure nobody would spot it for a long time.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The truth is unexcellent enough to assault NBers privacy and stealth spy on them for some reason, I'm pretty sure they could do it anyway.</div><div><br></div><div>I think that there is much more positives to having such a feed than negatives.</div>
<div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 12 April 2013 11:24, LinkReincarnate <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:linkreincarnate@gmail.com" target="_blank">linkreincarnate@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p dir="ltr">How would they notice? If I connect to that page using screen capture software would people notice?</p><div><div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Apr 12, 2013 10:53 AM, "John Ellis" <<a href="mailto:neurofog@gmail.com" target="_blank">neurofog@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Ken,</span><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">On the first point, I agree.</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">As for the second point, the combination of do-ocracy, and shared management of systems goes against such "stealth monitoring".</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">eg. Anyone can work on the door system, to repair, modify, adapt, as long as it doesn't create problems for the property management, and is considered "excellent"</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
Same deal with the servers. If somebody was stealth recording the stream on pony, then somebody else would notice. Pony (or virtually any of the NB servers) don't have an implied expectation of privacy from other users, do they? Unexcellent use of resources would have consequences.</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
Cheers!</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">-John</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
(Re-sent to discuss)</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Ken M. Haggerty <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kenmhaggerty@gmail.com" target="_blank">kenmhaggerty@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">In a separate previous discussion the following concerns were raised:<div><br><div>• Some NBers did not want to encourage those not at Noisebridge to open the gate remotely, and adding a video feed to the page may encourage that.</div>
<div><br></div><div>• Some NBers are concerned about any infrastructure that conceptually allows stealth recording of NBers, including when entering the space, are in general against even having a camera at entrance (except perhaps one with a retractable cover).</div>
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<div><br></div><div>-Ken</div></font></span></div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Cameron Hackett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:camhkt@gmail.com" target="_blank">camhkt@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Hey guys. Chris just came up with a cool idea. We should add a video / sound feed from the camera downstairs to the gate opening page we have on the network, so that anyone anywhere can monitor who is coming into and out of Noisebridge.</span><br>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Artur Moczulski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arthur.paul.black@gmail.com" target="_blank">arthur.paul.black@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Hey guys. Chris just came up with a cool idea. We should add a video / sound feed from the camera downstairs to the gate opening page we have on the network.
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