I don't like bike thieves.<br>I also don't like police.<br>You're right, it is a tough question. But I lean toward thinking we can deal with this problem without the "help" of law enforcement.<br><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Nameless <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:name1355@tormail.org" target="_blank">name1355@tormail.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Good links Ken. Everyone should know how to do CPR.  Here is another<br>
video: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lirndi4BCnQ" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lirndi4BCnQ</a><br>
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> The most recent thing I've read about CPR says that hands-only chest<br>
> pumping is the only effective part of CPR; i.e., mouth-to-mouth<br>
> resuscitation does very little.<br>
><br>
> Found an article:<br>
> <a href="http://www.nbcnews.com/id/23884566/ns/health-heart_health/t/no-mouth-to-mouth-required-new-cpr-rules/" target="_blank">http://www.nbcnews.com/id/23884566/ns/health-heart_health/t/no-mouth-to-mouth-required-new-cpr-rules/</a><br>

><br>
> Here is the American Heart Association page:<br>
> <a href="http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/CPRAndECC/HandsOnlyCPR/Hands-Only-CPR_UCM_440559_SubHomePage.jsp" target="_blank">http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/CPRAndECC/HandsOnlyCPR/Hands-Only-CPR_UCM_440559_SubHomePage.jsp</a><br>

><br>
> The right tempo for chest compression is "Stayin' Alive" by the Bee Gees<br>
> (104 bpm).<br>
><br>
> -Ken<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Gopiballava Flaherty<br>
> <<a href="mailto:gopiballava@gmail.com">gopiballava@gmail.com</a><br>
>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> On Apr 13, 2013, at 11:54, Drew McDermott <<a href="mailto:drewmcdermott2002@gmail.com">drewmcdermott2002@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> CPR breaks your ribs, has a very low success rate, and even when<br>
>> successful, your quality<br>
>> of life post-successful-CPR is horrible.<br>
>><br>
>> <snip><br>
>><br>
>> Here's more info:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> The survey presented is specifically:<br>
>> "Preferences of physician-participants for treatment given a scenario of<br>
>> irreversible brain injury without terminal illness"<br>
>><br>
>> That survey result isn't a surprise and is fairly reasonable.<br>
>><br>
>> Aren't the outcomes for younger people without significant prior medical<br>
>> problems a lot better than average?<br>
>><br>
>> It is my understanding that quality of life post-CPR is related to<br>
>> pre-CPR<br>
>> quality of life. In other words, if you were otherwise healthy pre-CPR<br>
>> then<br>
>> your odds are pretty decent, but if you were in poor health beforehand<br>
>> then<br>
>> you're probably going to be in bad or worse shape.<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://newoldage.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/more-on-cpr-for-the-elderly/" target="_blank">http://newoldage.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/more-on-cpr-for-the-elderly/</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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