<p dir="ltr">These are my feelings, as well. I honestly thought nameless was trolling. Might be og, though that increases the likelihood of such. -dru</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Apr 12, 2013 8:34 AM, "Ari Lacenski" <<a href="mailto:alacenski@gmail.com">alacenski@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Nameless, you keep offering your services under anonymity.<br>
<br>
I don't feel protected or more interested in coming to NB under the<br>
offered protection of someone who isn't in SF, isn't currently in the<br>
community and won't say who they are.<br>
<br>
Ari<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:31 AM, <<a href="mailto:name1355@tormail.org">name1355@tormail.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> @Sai, is there an ethical and legal solution that can be put in place now<br>
> to prevent the bike problem from happening in the future? Albeit<br>
> important to file a report, calling the police on a thief or aggressor<br>
> isn't preventative.<br>
><br>
> @Noisebridge: I know it would be an asset to have someone around who is<br>
> dedicated to enforcing rules and facilitating the safety of Noisebridge<br>
> and it's community. Having someone who is dedicated to that process will<br>
> remove the burden from members and visitors.<br>
><br>
> I'm just throwing it out there because I know I'm coming back to San<br>
> Francisco in a few months and I know I could do the job. I have a lot of<br>
> love for Noisebridge and I'd like to establish myself in the community<br>
> when I get back.<br>
><br>
> -Nameless<br>
><br>
>> FWIW, I stand by what I said in the OP. If I believe someone in the space<br>
>> is stealing something, I will call the police on them. I will also call<br>
>> the<br>
>> police for things such as assault.<br>
>><br>
>> I should note that I'm also the guy making cards informing people about<br>
>> how<br>
>> to assert their rights with police. I am a strong fan of constitutional<br>
>> rights and protecting oneself from wrongful or overreaching police action.<br>
>><br>
>> But when it comes to getting someone to take care of violent behavior that<br>
>> harms me or others in my community, that's who gets the job. I don't<br>
>> believe in vigilantism or omertà .<br>
>><br>
>> Ultimately it will always come down to a decision made by any of up to<br>
>> five<br>
>> or so people who have maybe a minute to decide (often more like 20 seconds<br>
>> once they even realize what's going on). When shit happens, it is simply<br>
>> not a time for consensus.<br>
>><br>
>> My concern is that people making such decisions in the moment (including<br>
>> me) have enough information to make an informed judgment about whether<br>
>> they<br>
>> are dealing with theft; legal but unwanted behavior; or just the amount of<br>
>> craziness that we routinely tolerate.<br>
>><br>
>> - Sai<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Ken M. Haggerty<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:kenmhaggerty@gmail.com">kenmhaggerty@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Sorry for the ambiguity and too-quick response.<br>
>>><br>
>>> While I understand and appreciate trepidation and good judgment when<br>
>>> deciding to involve the police or any government agencies, Noisebridge<br>
>>> will<br>
>>> cease to be a place where I am comfortable if safety-critical help is<br>
>>> delayed or forbidden from anyone at Noisebridge because of another<br>
>>> member's<br>
>>> well- or ill-found paranoia.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Maestro's original email outlining protocol was fine by me, but<br>
>>> subsequent<br>
>>> emails including the notion of "the police are harmful to every<br>
>>> community"<br>
>>> are worrisome. I always worry about anyone who deals in absolutes,<br>
>>> regardless of political leanings.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I still don't have any good answers to the safety situation other than<br>
>>> moving Noisebridge out of the Mission (which seems implausible for now)<br>
>>> or<br>
>>> other ideas that go against Noisebridge's anarchistic and open culture.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I don't believe turning unclaimed bikes over to police means that the<br>
>>> police have to enter Noisebridge, but I am unfamiliar with such<br>
>>> procedure<br>
>>> so others should clarify if that is the case.<br>
>>><br>
>>> -Ken<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Mitchel McAllister<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:xonimmortal@yahoo.com">xonimmortal@yahoo.com</a><br>
>>> > wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Are you talking about maestro's<br>
>>>> counter-counter-counter-counter-culture-culture stance, or Ron's<br>
>>>> statement?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --- On *Thu, 4/11/13, Ken M. Haggerty <<a href="mailto:kenmhaggerty@gmail.com">kenmhaggerty@gmail.com</a>>* wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> If we have such idiotic policies in place then I will certainly cease<br>
>>>> to<br>
>>>> be a part of Noisebridge.<br>
>>>> -Ken<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
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