<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Tony Longshanks LeTigre <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anthonyletigre@gmail.com" target="_blank">anthonyletigre@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra">
<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">RE: DOG POOP----->A friend of mine, Veronica, has had a dog in the space, Bentley, who I believe is the dog described in a number of these posts. The next time I see her I'll mention this to her. I'm going to be at the meeting tonight, btw, the first hour of it; then I have to cut out & head to my other meeting that happens Tuesday nights at the same time (Homes Not Jails). I am not overly fond of dogs in the space myself, mainly because I'm not overly fond of dogs, & as a cat lover, I'm bitter & resentful that we can't have a cat due to all the people allergic to them. If anyone can engineer a cure for cat allergies, you've got my vote! (For anything.)<br>
<br>ALSO, AAAG----->I'm about to vinyl cut this art & bring it to post in the Ames Alley Art Gallery (see previous post from today) to rep NB to newcomers who have never been here, does anyone object?<br></blockquote>
<div><br></div><div style>Yes, why?</div><div style><br></div><div style>Noisebridge does not need new people.</div><div style><br></div><div style>If they're really hackers and could make proper use of Noisebridge, they should be capable of finding it out on their own.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>I'd very much like for 2169 Mission to be more like Matthew Lillard in Cyberdelia from the movie Hackers, and less like Matthew Lillard in a flop out of SLC Punk!.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Leif Ryge <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:leif@synthesize.us" target="_blank">leif@synthesize.us</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 01:44:22PM -0700, Ken M. Haggerty wrote:<br>
> Psychologically speaking it doesn't take much to change a person's<br>
> behavior. It can be as little as a prominent mural saying "Be Excellent!"<br>
> at the entrance. That reminder can trigger improved behavior in all facets<br>
> in the same way that various other messages have been used to change human<br>
> behavior, from "Wear safety goggles" (leads to general care/awareness when<br>
> handling tools) to "Please curb after your dog" (also encourages / allows<br>
> people to reprimand those who don't).<br>
><br>
> Of course, in the spirit of making such a reminder optimistic and<br>
> welcoming, it would state things in positives ("Our space is your space!")<br>
> rather than negatives ("Don't leave your shit all over the place!").<br>
><br>
> -Ken<br>
<br>
</div>I think "wear safety goggles" signs in the shop and "pick up your dog's<br>
poop" signs outdoors are reasonable and probably somewhat effective.<br>
Vice-versa, not so much.<br>
<br>
A "be excellent to each other" mural at NB could be most excellent!<br>
<div><div><br>
~leif<br>
<br>
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Leif Ryge <<a href="mailto:leif@synthesize.us" target="_blank">leif@synthesize.us</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:54:11AM -0700, Ken M. Haggerty wrote:<br>
> > > Thanks, Reverend Mik. *This is really unacceptable.*<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I think it would do us some good to establish set of *"Hacker ethics"*<br>
> > very<br>
> > > much in line with what is at MIT:<br>
> > > *<a href="http://tech.mit.edu/V127/N66/graphics/thumb-lg-hackingethics.jpg*" target="_blank">http://tech.mit.edu/V127/N66/graphics/thumb-lg-hackingethics.jpg*</a><br>
> > ><br>
> > > These *guidelines* could be posted in LARGE LETTERS as a mural as you<br>
> > enter<br>
> > > the space so that it is made clear what is expected of individuals whom<br>
> > are<br>
> > > given the *privilege* to enjoy Noisebridge and the community we as a<br>
> > whole<br>
> > > have created.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > The idea of a *non-binding* set of *protocols* would be to establish a<br>
> > > normalization of behavior (a phrase I am sure will bother more than a few<br>
> > > people).<br>
> > ><br>
> > > One of the key things I have learned thus far in life is that *you really<br>
> > > cannot assume anything of anyone*, including "standards" of behavior; not<br>
> > > because "people are bad," but because...<br>
> > ><br>
> > > • People come from all sorts of backgrounds and experiences, and the one<br>
> > > experience that taught you not to pick your nose may not have happened to<br>
> > > someone else.<br>
> > > • We are a product of the environment with which we surround ourselves.<br>
> > > • Everything each of us knows is a result of an external input being<br>
> > > interpretted by an internal process, and we each have varying reactions<br>
> > to<br>
> > > external inputs.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Those who are generally active in these discussions are likely not those<br>
> > > who are treating the space poorly, and so these email threads are<br>
> > *preaching<br>
> > > to the choir* + the few "trolls" who, to a limited extent, do us a<br>
> > service<br>
> > > by engaging debate (and then usually things fall to pieces...).<br>
> > ><br>
> > > *The challenge then is in determining what characteristics of Noisebridge<br>
> > > are indeed are part of our proud character and which are merely<br>
> > > correlational and/or detrimental and should be changed.*<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I may or may not be at tonight's meeting as I am leaving for NYC tomorrow<br>
> > > for a week.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > -Ken<br>
> ><br>
> > I think the issues in this thread (feces and urine in the shop, and<br>
> > bottles of urine being left elsewhere) are ideal examples of behavior<br>
> > that is unlikely to be prevented by posting signs with rules or<br>
> > guidelines. Can anyone imagine someone believing it was ok to do these<br>
> > things, but then, upon seeing a sign declaring that this is unacceptable<br>
> > behavior, realizing the error of their ways? I certainly can't.<br>
> > (Meanwhile, what effect might such signs have on the vast majority of<br>
> > people who would never consider leaving bottles of urine in the space?)<br>
> ><br>
> > Thank you, Jarrod, for cleaning up this and other messes which were not<br>
> > yours!<br>
> ><br>
> > If anyone knows the source of any kind of mess left in the space, please<br>
> > ask the persons responsible to clean up their mess!<br>
> ><br>
> > A few days ago while I was at Noisebridge a grey dog was seen urinating.<br>
> > The person who saw it got up and located the dogs owner, who promptly<br>
> > cleaned it up. I think it should be entirely uncontroversial to say that<br>
> > if your dog isn't house trained you shouldn't bring it to Noisebridge.<br>
> > But I don't think we need a sign to that effect.<br>
> ><br>
> > ~leif<br>
> ><br>
> > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Mitchel McAllister<br>
> > > <<a href="mailto:xonimmortal@yahoo.com" target="_blank">xonimmortal@yahoo.com</a>>wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > > There were no dogs in the space last night that I know of.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > However, it was brought to my attention early this morning that there<br>
> > have<br>
> > > > been bottles and other containers full of urine found in hidden places<br>
> > in<br>
> > > > the space. It doesn't make sense to me either.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > - Reverend Mik McAllister<br>
> > > > ------------------------------<br>
> > > > "You can see the summit but you can't reach it<br>
> > > > Its the last piece of the puzzle but you just can't make it fit<br>
> > > > Doctor says you're cured but you still feel the pain<br>
> > > > Aspirations in the clouds but your hopes go down the drain"<br>
> > > > - Howard Jones, "No One Is To Blame"<br>
> > > > ------------------------------<br>
> > > > Purveyor of Subversive Fiction<br>
> > > > <a href="http://www.prismandink.com" target="_blank">http://www.prismandink.com</a><br>
> > > > <a href="http://www.lunatextpublications.com" target="_blank">http://www.lunatextpublications.com</a><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > --- On *Tue, 4/16/13, jarrod hicks <<a href="mailto:hicksu@gmail.com" target="_blank">hicksu@gmail.com</a>>* wrote:<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > From: jarrod hicks <<a href="mailto:hicksu@gmail.com" target="_blank">hicksu@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > > > Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Feces and Urine in the shop<br>
> > > > To: "NoiseBridge Discuss" <<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>><br>
> > > > Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 10:33 AM<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > I arrived at Noisebridge about 15 minutes ago to get some work done.<br>
> > There<br>
> > > > was a large pile of feces next to the table saw and a drying puddle of<br>
> > > > urine next to the drill press. I have cleaned up the feces and am in<br>
> > the<br>
> > > > process of drying, sweeping, and cleaning up the urine.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > This is the second time within the last week that there has been feces<br>
> > in<br>
> > > > the shop, and more than the second time that I have found urine in the<br>
> > > > space.<br>
> > > ><br>
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