<div>I believe you, and I will now stop posting about this issue. Gladly. And actually, believe it or not, I'm about to go have a very beautiful day, because it's gorgeous out, & even if I never get any of that data back, I'll survive & the world will remain beautiful.</div>
<div> </div><div>But I want it back.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Josh Hertel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jhertel242@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jhertel242@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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You are right about that. I should have and I'm sorry. Life got complicated and the issue got pushed out of my head. I am sorry I didn't do anything before. I will take care of your data. I would just ask you to stop posting about this issue. It will be taken care of in a positive way.<br>
<br>-Joshua Hertel<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir="ltr">
<hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"><div class="im"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Tony Longshanks LeTigre <<a href="mailto:anthonyletigre@gmail.com" target="_blank">anthonyletigre@gmail.com</a>><br>
</div><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Josh Hertel <<a href="mailto:jhertel242@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jhertel242@yahoo.com</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Liz Henry
<<a href="mailto:lizhenry@gmail.com" target="_blank">lizhenry@gmail.com</a>>; Ryan Rawson <<a href="mailto:ryanobjc@gmail.com" target="_blank">ryanobjc@gmail.com</a>>; Noisebridge Discuss <<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:50 PM<div><div class="h5"><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Daravinne / stolen data<br> </div>
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<div>And you know, if you really cared about the issue, Josh, you could've made a feeble attempt to do something when I first notified you of the issue, several um was it weeks ago? Before I felt the need to post this publicly?<br>
<br><div>On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Tony Longshanks LeTigre <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anthonyletigre@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">anthonyletigre@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
If someone took your work for the past 3 years & sadistically withheld it, you'd have "negative energy" too. Give me a break, Kermit.<div><div><br><br><div>On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Josh Hertel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jhertel242@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jhertel242@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Tony, no one needs this negative energy in the world. I will find a way
to get your data back to you. I would ask you to please not drag her
name through the mud, especially on a open forum like this. <br>I know you had a falling out and I'm sorry about that, putting this negativity out there is not good for anyone.<br><br>-Joshua Hertel<div><span></span></div>
<div><br></div> <div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Liz Henry <<a href="mailto:lizhenry@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">lizhenry@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Ryan Rawson <<a href="mailto:ryanobjc@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ryanobjc@gmail.com</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Noisebridge Discuss <<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:44 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Daravinne / stolen
data<br> </font> </div><div><div> <div><br>
<div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I just don't see any need to dredge through all the interpersonal details and drama here, or any need to judge on whether people have it together to back up their data or not. It also has nothing to do with "social capital". <br>
<br>Why keep someone's data from them when it is trivial to hand it over to them, whether by uploading it or by sticking it on a usb drive. Jeez. I have ones to spare and have offered them multiple times to daravinne. <br>
<br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Daravinne, do you have the data or did you erase it? That is basically the only question. I will come to you and transfer the data. That way you will not have to deal with any sort of drama, minimal annoyance, and Tony will have his stuff back. I know Danny is also perfectly willing to do this.<br>
<br><br></div>-<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;display:inline"> Liz</div><br><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br><br><br></div></div><div>
<br><br><div>On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Ryan Rawson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ryanobjc@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ryanobjc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
<div dir="ltr">So I kind of know Dara, I have a shared social circle with her. I dont really know you though, only via mailing lists.<div><br></div><div>The reality is this isnt how it's done. You use your social capital and backchannel that shit. </div>
<div><br></div><div>That you are going so public, says to me, that you don't have that social capital. That's too bad. Surely someone can do you a favor and intermediate you - like Danny, etc?</div><div>
<br></div><div>Can't put the genie back in the bottle. Next time, work your social network. </div><div><br></div><div>Now to the actual email content, I dont like the robin hood mentality, its a reversible logic to me. If someone achieves their moral state by virtue of not having worldly possessions, why isnt the opposite true? As for her comments, dara is doing you a lot of favors here, and dealing with the criminal justice system is also a big thing as well. In terms of timely return of your data (which appears to be the KEY issue here), she isn't under obligation, and I know she has been out of town for a week. As for her "incriminating IM lines" - they sound like something she said, and they seem like they could be a reasonable assessment of the issue. I personally don't have any 16GB flash drives I want to give away either, so its a thing.</div>
<div><br></div><div>And also, its 2013 - one last word, CLOUD. 16GB is a trivial amount of data, might I suggest <a href="http://dropbox.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">dropbox.com</a>, <a href="http://mega.co.nz/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">mega.co.nz</a> and many others. Especially for someone who knows he is at risk of having things confiscated by police, etc. Use <a href="http://mega.co.nz/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">mega.co.nz</a> (50 GB free) for cold storage, dropbox for active. Problem solved. </div>
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<div><br></div><div>-ryan</div></font></span><div>ps: I'm not sure I can approve of calling her 'cunt'. Is this what all assertive females get for not bending to other people's will?</div></div><div>
<br><br><div><div>On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Tony Longshanks LeTigre <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anthonyletigre@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">anthonyletigre@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Recently I was arrested after 6 months of living in the darkroom of an unused science lab on the UCSF Parnassus campus. The police attempted to charge me with burglary (which the prosecuting attorney dropped) but only the misdemeanor charges of trespassing & illegal lodging stuck.* They took a Macbook Pro computer that had been loaned to me by Daravinne aka Christina Olson who is the self-styled producer of 5 Minutes of Fame, insinuating that I must have stolen it. I did not steal it; Christina Olson gave it to me as "a long-term loan" last year when we were both working on the Noisebridge zine project I inaugurated, ZiP. At the time the police confiscated the Macbook, it contained all of the ZiP layouts & associated files, plus all the InDesign, Photoshop & Illustrator work I'd done over the last several years, plus a vast spreadsheet-slash-database in progress containing all the info on properties & alternative housing in SF I'd been
collecting obsessively over the course of the preceding year & a half, my journals/diaries for the past 10 years, all of my writing creative journalistic & otherwise—the police also took my thumb drive, which was my only (partial) backup of all this material. The police told me only Christina Olson could reclaim the computer, since it was registered to her name. Christina Olson & I agreed that Christina Olson would take back her Macbook (so it could continue to sit unused in her overstuffed apartment while she sits in front of her other, newer, fancier computer) once it was retrieved from the police. I asked Christina Olson to let me get my files off her Macbook before she took it back. She agreed. (I believe I have the chat logs of this stored on the computer I'm currently borrowing in lieu of not having a computer at all.) I recently found out that she went behind my back & reclaimed the computer from the police like a month ago. She
casually revealed this via IM, following this revelation up with a number of lovely statements including<div>
<br></div><div><b>You are a pain in the ass to deal with</b></div><div><i>when ya stab me in the back, use my vulnerability due to police/court custody to steal my fuckin files, you're damn right, I'm a motherfuckin SCORPION & you haven't seen the half of it!</i></div>
<div><br></div><div>and</div><div><br></div><div><b>You are a failure as a human being</b> </div><div><i>BWAHAhaha yes Your Honor!</i></div><div><br></div><div>The C-word was made for people like this. I don't like Christina Olson. I don't wanna be her friend or talk to her. I just want my shit back. She told me it totals 16GB & she's not willing to let me transfer it on her thumb drive. I recently sold a painting so have enough $ to buy a thumb drive that will hold 16GB. I don't think she's gonna communicate with me, though, so I'm posting this in hopes The Community may help me put some pressure on her to get my shit back. The computer is hers—no problem—the personal files & info on it are mine. I know she hangs out in the chat rooms quite a bit, if that helps. Daravinne = Christina Olson.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks for any help anyone can offer. Signing off for the day NOW & I'll be back again tomorrow (but less wordy, I promise)</div><div><br></div><div>+11+</div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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