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All I asked for was that the rhetoric be toned down. What he
described was an impact/dragging death. It's a bit extreme. If it
was said verbally, I might have let it go. But it was said in an
archived and monitored discussion.<br>
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I also notice that he hasn't responded. Maybe he agrees. Everyone is
allowed to declare their displeasure for any politician. However,
wishing a gruesome death is, in my opinion, barbaric.<br>
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There are limits to speech. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom
from consequences.<br>
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As far as the registration of 3D printers, it's simply overblown
rhetoric coming from another loud mouthed politician. It's difficult
to take him seriously due to the impossibility.<br>
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Maybe they need to tone it down, too.<br>
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No one is afraid of 3D printed zip guns. It's POC at best.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12.05.2013 12:41, LinkReincarnate
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<p dir="ltr">That is a straw man. None of what he said was
homophobic or racist. Even if it was I would defend his right
to say it. In america the only limit we have on free speech is
when you use it to directly cause bodily harm to others (yelling
fire in a crowded theater) Everything else must be protected
(including speech you find abhorrent like racism, homophobia, or
sexism) lest other speech be eroded away. The proper response
is not to try to censor people who don't agree with you, it is
to use your own free speech to counter theirs. Free speech is
it's own check and balance. That only works if everyone has it
regardless of their opinions or the popularity of their
opinions. Any outside interference with that throws the balance
off and allows one side of an idea to prevail in said
imbalance. In the case of women's rights, racism, and
homophobia outlawing that type of speech may seem like a good
idea but you'd be throwing the baby out with the bathwater in
doing so. You would be getting an incremental step in rights at
the cost of the future of growth of those same rights. The
meaning of any particular piece of speech (even entirely in
context) is a highly subjective matter. I believe that our law
system tries to be as objective as possible (or at least it was
originally designed with that intent) Where do you draw the
line for what constitutes this type of speech? Who defines it?
What will be the penalty? What do you do to repeat offenders?
Who pays for this program? What about weird edge cases? Finally
how will it be abused/gamed/corrupted? That's not even getting
into the problems that plague the justice system right now. Or
the problems the plague human interaction and understanding in
general. We live in the real world. The truth is that violence
is sometimes necessary. We hope to avoid it as much as possible
but pretending that we can all bury our heads in the sand
RE:violence is just naivety. Outlawing violent speech is not
going to stop violence. It could mean one has less warning
though.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 12, 2013 12:05 PM, "Johny Radio"
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<blockquote>If you believe in free speech at all you have to
protect even speech that offends you. That includes
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Link, i agree with you, in a general sense. However, would
the NB community tolerate words of violence toward women,
homosexuals, transgender people, the poor, or people of
color? If not, then the community agrees that certain kinds
of speech are not ok. <br>
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