<p>This is scud.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LSp3Axbjq8">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LSp3Axbjq8</a></p>
<p>Found by searching 'occupy san francisco scud'</p>
<p>An image search is also very fruitful.</p>
<p>R.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 29, 2013 2:07 PM, "Liz Henry" <<a href="mailto:lizhenry@gmail.com">lizhenry@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I haven't been around in the past month because of health issues, but am feeling a bit worried as Jake says about the atmosphere at NB. I want to work to keep the space for people to work on stuff, for learning and making and teaching, not as a place to be off the streets and hang out. <br>
<br>From what I have heard, telling someone you are about to take their photo works fairly well, if you have to ask someone to leave. And from when I have tried it, with the more anti-social of people, it is very time consuming. I'm hoping that we can go through a real spring cleaning, change how we have door access set up, and make the space more safe for hackers, hacking, and projects. <br>
<br><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Jake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jake@spaz.org" target="_blank">jake@spaz.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">No i didnt get any pictures, because when i thought of it (after they were dragging their feet despite me and mitch BOTH being really heavy about them leaving) I said "i am going to take a picture now for our records and they ACTUALLY left immediately then, so i didn't get one.<br>
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But i did get a picture of Vince, who was an extreme problem a couple of times and yet barely got mentioned on the discuss list as "vince was asked to leave". I was disappointed that none of the ten people arguing him out the door for 20 minutes was willing to write anything up about it.<br>
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I would like to think that scud and chrissy got the message and won't come back, although i'm sure the cashbox is very tempting to a lot of people. Certainly if i see them in the space again I will tell them that they need to leave "immediately or i'm calling the police" and I will tell them that if they come in again, i "will call the police before even warning you" so that should be enough.<br>
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I agree that it's tiring the way noisebridge has decayed socially. I blame a lack of willingness on the part of most noisebridge "leadership" to take the problem seriously, in favor of an overappreciation of chaos.<br>
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I attribute this divide to lack of understanding by software people (those who mostly use their laptops and rarely use other tools) of the very real and crippling effects of entropy of the space by non-hackers. Software people can clear off a space on a table and open their laptop and get to work. The chaos around them is ambiance, and they don't know how many of the tools are missing or destroyed, or how many of the soldering irons are actually usable. They don't see how many of the multimeters actually work, and they don't understand that people can't leave projects on their member shelves overnight because they get prowled regularly for crack money.<br>
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As for Scud and Chrissy i think they were doing what was good for them - getting as much as they could from noisebridge before they were cut off. I guess I would do the same thing if i were them. Their choice.<br>
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The complaint I have is with people who are in a position to improve noisebridge, for example by embracing a new era of access control, but are not willing to do it because they don't see a problem.<br>
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-jake<br>
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On Wed, 29 May 2013, ( ) wrote:<br>
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Hey, did you get any pictures of Scud and Chrissy when they were asked to<br>
leave, so we can post them on the 86 page?<br>
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I like the idea of NB so much and to have something in the city, but the<br>
constant stream of Oogles / "Occupy" there is really wearing on me!<br>
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