<p dir="ltr">Here's attempting: <br>
In the interaction that Zack is referring to, he did not ask to turn the music down--indeed it could scarcely have been turned down and deemed audible--he asked me to turn it off, and then asserted that Noisebridge has agreed that the PA is only to be used for projects. Is this so?</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 29, 2013 2:18 PM, "Liz Henry" <<a href="mailto:lizhenry@gmail.com">lizhenry@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Dru, I barely understand this. What are you trying to say, in plain language?<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
It can be nice sometimes to feel everyone is listening to shared music. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
Here is what it boils down to for me: Ask around to see if people object to music. If they do object, please listen to it in headphones, quit playing the guitar, etc. Ask the objector if they mind if you do it later. Negotiate.<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I have seen many friendly negotiations happen between people using loud equipment and people who want quiet for thought or discussion. It isn't that hard to negotiate mutual use, taking turns, etc.<br>
<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">- Liz<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Byrne <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andrew@pachakutech.com" target="_blank">andrew@pachakutech.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">I remain dismayed at the promulgation of a zombie idea. This has nothing to do with "blasting the space", or "turning down the volume". As the person who called Zach out on his bullshit, may I repeat: this is about his assertion that there is to be /no/ music played in Noisebridge; that the PA is only for projects, not music or film.<br>
When I heard that crock, I told him I felt that he had overstepped his personal boundaries, and that Noisebridge would never come to the consensus that there would be /no/music played in the space, whereupon he started to tell me how that was so, and I said I'd rather get back to hacking. We spent the rest of the day in silence, excepting the ambient.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Funny how one bit of mumbling around the facts can make otherwise respectable people hoot and holler about something completely OT. Zack, please help clarify the debate: this is about Noisebridge not allowing any non-project noise, yes? Again, considering your hyperalgesia and how much you do contribute, this seems a reasonable request. -dru</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On May 29, 2013 1:54 PM, "John Ellis" <<a href="mailto:neurofog@gmail.com" target="_blank">neurofog@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Some music can be a more of a problem for me, than machines in the machine shop. <div><br></div><div>There is also the part where blasting the entire space with your personal music loudly is not related to hacking, whereas working in the machine shop is. I know people hack on electronic music instruments, and thats fine, as long as there is some consideration for how loud, and the other people in the space.<div>
<br></div><div>-John<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:42 PM, LinkReincarnate <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:linkreincarnate@gmail.com" target="_blank">linkreincarnate@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">I still never got a response to my questions though. If noise is a problem why not remove the woodshop? Why cant it be majority in the space rules? Isnt part of being excellent being reasonable and sharing use of the space? If I ask everyone in the area if they are ok with music and someone new walks in the door I have to stop playing it? I am bothered by the idea of anyone entering the space and forcing everyone who was already there to change their behavior. If I can listen to my headphones you can put in earplugs. Indeed if a person really is hypersensitive to sound it makes sense for them to carry a set of earplugs. Why is it ok for one person to dictate terms to others because of they are inconvenienced when they could easily remedy it for themselves.</p>
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<p dir="ltr">I never refused to turn the music down. I wasnt there. I am mocking no one. My tone was that of a bemused satan. Am I not allowed to express a disenting opinion to a comment? Please be aware that tone doesnt transmit via the internet and give me the benefit of the doubt.<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">No link.... if someone is asking you to turn the music down and you're not, it's just plain old disrespectful of you to refuse and then mock them. Remember the "be excellent to each other" part?<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Best,<br><br>Liz<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 7:22 AM, LinkReincarnate <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:linkreincarnate@gmail.com" target="_blank">linkreincarnate@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">1 is your hypersythesia in your ears?(that is a serious question)<br>
2 music bothers you but you can live with people running the table saw?<br>
3 this is a doocracy if you have a problem bring it up yourself. If it is not worth attending the meeting to do it yourself then its not worth anyone elses time bringing it up.<br>
4 we are a hackerspace not a workerspace and some of us like to hack on noisy/musical projects<br>
5 are you really complaining that noisebridge is too loud. Have you read the name? Are you trolling?<br>
6 seriously you come to a place called noisebridge and complain about the sounds??<br>
7 numbered lists are fun<br>
8 i think that the music rule should be majority in the space gets their way. Im willing to follow this even if people dont want music but allowing one person to dictatate when music can and cant be played seems doesnt sit well with me.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On May 28, 2013 12:16 AM, "Zach" <<a href="mailto:organic_unity@yahoo.com" target="_blank">organic_unity@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"></div></div>
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<div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><div>Hey folks,</div><div><span> I wont be able to make it to the meeting on Tues, and I had a talk with someone at NB this week (again) about playing music on the giant amplified speakers in the main space at NB. This was discussed at a meeting in the past, and this person suggested it be brought up again.</span></div>
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In the past meeting on this people shared their thoughts and said:</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">1) it is a long standing NB practice to tell people to use headphones/laptop speakers to play personal music for entertainment</div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">2) everyone has their own taste in music which is not always shared in common</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">
3) the space is a worker space, not a music venue.</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">
I really am burnt out on NB drama of
sorts, and have only started coming to NB again recently. Its frustrating to have to beat this dead horse nearly every time Im at NB. After that meeting things did improve a lot and many people were very kind and responsive. It still does come up though.</div>
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Not that I think its entirely relevant, but this does affect my medical condition. I was diagnosed with hyperaesthesia (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperesthesia" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperesthesia</a>) among other things. I can show my medical records to people if it would help. Honestly, I think this is just a matter of respect. I use the space to work on projects, fix things, and
educate. I dont see why playing music on those large speakers to fill the entire space with sound is necessary. It can be very disruptive and for me it is actually painful. For the most part, I ask people if I can turn the music down when I'm there and most everyone is accomodating. I usually then tell people when I'm leaving so they can turn the volume back up if they like. But there are people that are very confrontational about this like the incident this week, so if someone could mention this at a meeting again, even briefly, it could help. Feel free to read/show this email at the meeting.<br>
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Thank
you for reading what I have to share,</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">Zach<br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">
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