<p dir="ltr">Unfortunately, law enforcement does not handle these things with respect or credulity, and many times, the person assaulted is reluctant to bring the police into it, hence the value in radical response networks and hence my dissatisfaction at its abuse and the seriousness with which I take this situation. This would be much smoother--and for me personally, much cleaner--with a mediator/judge and two licensed advocates, but we don't have access to that infrastructure.<br>
-dru</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 17, 2013 3:17 PM, "Ronald Cotoni" <<a href="mailto:setient@gmail.com">setient@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Honestly, this matter is best dealt with with Law Enforcement. I do not think noisebridge is adequately equipped to deal with sexual assault. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Gavin Knight <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gnnrok@gmail.com" target="_blank">gnnrok@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
This is a tough situation. Just a reminder the list is public and<br>
accessible via google, so probably a meeting is a good place for this.<br>
<br>
I'm sure someone could arrange a video chat or something for anyone<br>
who is not near Noisebridge.<br>
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On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Liz Henry <<a href="mailto:lizhenry@gmail.com" target="_blank">lizhenry@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> A quick note, I need to go get on a plane. The Dante who was at the meeting<br>
> the other night and who was asked to leave (the tweaker dude) was a<br>
> different person named Dante.<br>
><br>
> - liz<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Andrew Byrne <<a href="mailto:andrew@pachakutech.com" target="_blank">andrew@pachakutech.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Since this is all out on the list, I feel the need to present my side; it<br>
>> is clear to me now what this is.<br>
>><br>
>> For a few weeks, Lillian had asked of I could give her one of her<br>
>> supplemental estrogen shots, and one night I was at NoiseBridge when Lillian<br>
>> asked me to give her her shot. I said sure, she climbed up, laid down on the<br>
>> table, and pulled down her jeans enough to expose her buttocks, I readied<br>
>> the injection and placed my left hand on the back of her upper thigh. She<br>
>> stiffened, and told me that she felt uncomfortable, so I stopped, moved<br>
>> away, apologized for the discomfort and then left the room. There was never<br>
>> a "what the fuck are you doing?".<br>
>><br>
>> It's pretty rich that /she/ is accusing me of cocaine use. It's not out of<br>
>> my experience, but as I have dopamine insensitivity--ADD--the stuff doesn't<br>
>> have the pleasure response for me that justifies the absurd prices; that and<br>
>> the killing South Americans bit.<br>
>><br>
>> Unfortunately, the only other witness in the room was Dante I think Dante<br>
>> was expelled from the Tuesday meeting two weeks ago and is unquestionably<br>
>> her "other people"--Dante got angry when I sent him an email invitation to a<br>
>> 'digital feminine' salon b/c he doesn't see himself as feminine and started<br>
>> this whole process about three weeks after Lillian left; it was then that<br>
>> Lillian "unfriended" me on Fb. That only sounds trite until I add that she<br>
>> accepted my friend request after leaving SF for wherever she is now.<br>
>><br>
>> I'd still like to drag up the Dante incident, as there were several<br>
>> witnesses on my side and a documented willful misrepresentation to Liz on<br>
>> Dante's. I would like to ask Liz now to retain copies of her emails<br>
>> regarding this for possible subpoena.<br>
>><br>
>> A friend? No you saw me as a rube.<br>
>> -dru<br>
>><br>
>> On Jun 17, 2013 11:06 AM, "Lillian Fleurs" <<a href="mailto:lillian.fleurs@gmail.com" target="_blank">lillian.fleurs@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Well maybe you should have thought about these things before you pinned<br>
>>> me down on a table and began unzipping my pants without any permission at<br>
>>> all, refusing to stop even after I froze in fear asking what the fuck you<br>
>>> were doing. I was shaken after that. I used to like you Drew, and it took me<br>
>>> so long to report anything because I was worried about hurting someone I<br>
>>> thought was a good person. You seemed to be high on cocaine or something,<br>
>>> which initially allowed me to excuse the behavior. It wasn't until other<br>
>>> people made me realize this wasn't just a one off incident that I decided to<br>
>>> report what had happened. I recall you making creepy sexual comments about<br>
>>> others way before this incident too, so looking back now I don't find what<br>
>>> happened surprising and I probably could have prevented being violated.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Andrew Byrne <<a href="mailto:andrew@pachakutech.com" target="_blank">andrew@pachakutech.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I would also like to point out the assumption of my guilt throughout<br>
>>>> this discourse; I was told I was considered a sexual predator by the<br>
>>>> anarcho-fem community a week before being contacted officially, and this<br>
>>>> hateful trope has been driving me away from the space since. It will<br>
>>>> doubtless screw with my social life for another few months and affects me<br>
>>>> professionally; I can't even get a response from Mozilla's bug network now,<br>
>>>> thanks to this. I know, hard to empathize with someone the mediator is<br>
>>>> calling out, but once this is cleared up, I'd like this experience well<br>
>>>> documented -dru<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Jun 16, 2013 9:29 PM, "Liz Henry" <<a href="mailto:lizhenry@gmail.com" target="_blank">lizhenry@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I would also like for this to be discussed again in a meeting. I<br>
>>>>> brought this up at the meeting not last week but the week before. But, I<br>
>>>>> have not been in the greatest of health and have missed a lot of meetings.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> It was also brought to my attention that Jesse Z. wants to come back to<br>
>>>>> Noisebridge. I do not think this is a good idea. Basically, I don't want<br>
>>>>> to be around people who have behaved in the ways that either Jesse and Dru<br>
>>>>> have behaved.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> There are so many good things about Noisebridge, and about its<br>
>>>>> openness. To keep that good for as many people as possible we do need to<br>
>>>>> have good boundaries. And ask people who have shown great disrespect for<br>
>>>>> others by non consensual behavior to stay away and work out their issues to<br>
>>>>> learn better behavior in some other context, rather than being in the middle<br>
>>>>> of an space without much in the way of rules or safety. Sexual assault and<br>
>>>>> other violent behavior destroys our ability to trust each other. I want to<br>
>>>>> be able to trust people at NB, and to be able to tell others they are likely<br>
>>>>> relatively safe there.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Best,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Liz<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Lillian Fleurs<br>
>>>>> <<a href="mailto:lillian.fleurs@gmail.com" target="_blank">lillian.fleurs@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> A member of the community known as Andrew "Dru" Byrne has yet to be<br>
>>>>>> kicked out of the community. Right before I moved he did some EXTREMELY<br>
>>>>>> inappropriate and non consensual things to me that extend far beyond creepy.<br>
>>>>>> I sent some emails to Tony "LeTigre", who then forwarded them to Liz. I had<br>
>>>>>> asked both of them to keep what had happened to me anonymous. I'm coming out<br>
>>>>>> of anonymity because it appears nothing has been done to get rid of someone<br>
>>>>>> who poses a high threat to other members of the community (both male and<br>
>>>>>> female, trans and cis).<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Unfortunately since I no longer live in San Francisco, I can not show<br>
>>>>>> up to a Noisebridge meeting but I would like this issue brought up, because<br>
>>>>>> others who still use the space have expressed to me that they don't feel<br>
>>>>>> safe around Andrew either.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I'm sorry for the drama, but I'm not the one who started it.<br>
>>>>>><br>
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>>>>><br>
>>>>> --<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .<br>
>>>>> Liz Henry<br>
>>>>> <a href="mailto:lhenry@mozilla.com" target="_blank">lhenry@mozilla.com</a><br>
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