<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Johnny, this whole section does not make sense to me as a response to my original email. You say,<br><br>>>>But, your plan, to run a talk entitled "resisting sexual harassment
and sexual assault" does nothing to engage women and men TOGETHER in
a mutual discourse, or to develop mature communication by men,
toward women, or to promote awareness of these issues among men, or
to engage men in the process of social growth. It does nothing to
promote social growth at all.
* Therefor, i suggest involving men in some way in this activity. For
example, could be a men's workshop on "understand people's
boundaries". Or perhaps you could add a session on "promoting better
communication between men and women". Also, i suggest a
discussion-based workshop might promote more participation than a
'talk'.
* Apologies to our transgender friends for the simplistic language.
Anyone can be a victim of abuse, anyone can perpetrate it.<br><<<<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Here is a link to my original email. Please read it again. <br>
<br><a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-June/037374.html">https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-June/037374.html</a><br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
You are objecting to what I said here:<br><br>>>><br><pre>I have invited representatives from SF-WAR to come speak at Noisebridge
some time in July on the topics of resisting sexual harassment and sexual
assault. Will keep you all updated as to when this will happen! These
training talks may give us good common ground for further discussion and
action.<br><<<<br><br></pre><pre>Could you please explain how, from this innocuous paragraph, you got <br>to the assumption that the training does not include or involve anyone <br>of any genders? I'm not seeing it. <br>
<br></pre><pre>I asked SF-WAR to do this because several men at Noisebridge have been asking <br>me, for months, to please provide some form of class, or workshop for anti-rape <br>and anti-harassment education for them and the community. I don't know how to <br>
give such a class. I have been asking others to please take up this task, and <br>find good workshop presenters on the topic. The men who asked for the workshops <br>said they did not feel that, as men, they should be the ones to arrange such <br>
a thing though I encouraged them to do it. Finally, I emailed a local <br>organization, filled out a form, and they agreed happily to set up two <br>workshops for free, pretty much any date we would like, in a flexible format <br>
according to what we would like to happen.</pre><pre>I think your response to my email is very odd. You seem to have a very <br>intense response to the idea of there being some sort of harassment prevention <br>workshop, and your response is based on many incorrect assumptions. Please try to think<br>
about why that might be the case, and what you are saying in your email. It <br>seems understandable that the idea of an outsider to the community coming <br>in to talk about a difficult topic causes you anxiety. But, as with any class<br>
happening at Noisebridge, you are free to attend or not as you please, and also<br>if it does not meet your needs, there is a style of presentation or discussion<br>you want to see happen, you can make it happen, I am sure, given your history <br>
as a successful event organizer.<br><br></pre><pre>Best,<br><br>Liz<br></pre><pre><br></pre><pre><br></pre><pre>Best,<br><br>Liz<br><br><br></pre></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Johny Radio <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnyradio@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnyradio@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div align="justify"><b style="line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;font-variant:normal;text-transform:none;font-style:normal;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px">Liz Henry</b><span style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:start;font-style:normal;display:inline!important;font-weight:normal;float:none;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman';word-spacing:0px"><span> </span></span><a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss%40lists.noisebridge.net?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BNoisebridge-discuss%5D%20Community%20actions%20and%20structure%20that%20helps%0A%09resist%20sexual%20violence&In-Reply-To=%3CCAGOx5cxA7OK8%2BhN7bXkv2pav%3D1%3DsKmE0vm1dUB63D5Cgw0T-sg%40mail.gmail.com%3E" title="[Noisebridge-discuss] Community actions and structure
that helps resist sexual violence" target="_blank">lizhenry at gmail.com<span>
</span></a><i>, Sat Jun 15
19:02:02 UTC 2013:</i><br>
<br>
"I have invited representatives from SF-WAR to come speak at
Noisebridge some time in July on the topics of resisting sexual
harassment and sexual assault. Will keep you all updated as to
when this will happen! These training talks may give us good
common ground for further discussion and action."<br>
<br>
<br>
JR: Liz, thanks for doing this. I think this could be very
helpful. I have volunteered for SF-WAR (Women Against Rape),
because i am committed to working against abuse of women. From my
application to WAR: "I am committed to ending sexual violence, and
violence in all it's forms. As a straight male, who comes from a
family of strong, powerful women, I feel men have a responsibility
to understand the dynamics and history of sexual abuse."<br>
<br>
A couple observations about your plan:<br>
<ul>
<li>I feel the healthiest goal for the community is a
PARTNERSHIP between men and women, to achieve better
communication and understanding. I think it's essential for
men to develop mature respect for women's boundaries. <br>
</li>
<li>But, your plan, to run a talk entitled "resisting sexual
harassment and sexual assault" does nothing to engage women
and men TOGETHER in a mutual discourse, or to develop mature
communication by men, toward women, or to promote awareness of
these issues among men, or to engage men in the process of
social growth. It does nothing to promote social growth at
all.<br>
</li>
<li>Therefor, i suggest involving men in some way in this
activity. For example, could be a men's workshop on
"understand people's boundaries". Or perhaps you could add a
session on "promoting better communication between men and
women". Also, i suggest a discussion-based workshop might
promote more participation than a 'talk'. <br>
</li>
<li>Apologies to our transgender friends for the simplistic
language. Anyone can be a victim of abuse, anyone can
perpetrate it. <br>
</li>
</ul>
Best,<br>
</div>
-JR<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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