<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>I have to thank to Tony for his work on Zine, I think it is a really nice piece of arr and I'm certainly glad that Tastebridge had a chance to be in.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>I hope that things turn well in the near or bit longer term future for both sides Tony&Noisebridge, in the meanwhile well I would say that 90% of Noisebridgers move to another groups within the time, so "nothing new under the sun".</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family:
'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Best of the luck on the way to both of the parties, hope to stay in touch.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Sincerely from Jeju,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>FAA</span></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck<br><br></div><div>biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker</div><br><br><div>http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org</div><div><br><br></div><div>"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi<br><br> <div style="font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Carl <carl@icarp.info><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> danny@spesh.com <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Tom Lowenthal <me@tomlowenthal.com>;
noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, July 1, 2013 6:26 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Asked to leave: Tony Longshanks & Veronica<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><br>Thanks Danny and others for the additional info.<br><br>I wasn't previously aware of the emails Tony sent, and I understand why some wouldn't want him around now. I hope that he can work on improving his communications and try to get along better with people here. He used to be a valuable contributor to the community with his work on the Zip Zine in the past, so it's too bad things have turned out so unexcellently.<br><br>-Carl<br><br><br>On Jun 30, 2013, at 8:17 PM, Danny O'Brien wrote:<br><br>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 02:50:05PM -0700, Carl wrote:<br>>> Hi Tom,<br>>> I understand that Tony having
been trapped in the closet was a while ago,<br>>> and despite that he shouldn't have been there, I'm sure he didn't intend<br>>> to become trapped. Unless he's been a repeat offender, shouldn't he at<br>>> least be given a second chance, as he's likely learned his lesson?<br>> <br>> So we had a discussion about this at a meeting I attended; there wasn't<br>> a formal consensus that he should be banned, but there was a widely held<br>> eyes-wide amazement that he came back with no apparent attempt at<br>> restitution or regret. <br>> <br>>> What I would like to know is: Was it previously consensed on at a meeting<br>>> that he should be banned from the space? And if not, is this your main or<br>>> only real argument for telling him never to come back? What authority do<br>>> you have for telling him this, as opposed to
simply telling him to leave<br>>> and come back to a meeting to discuss this, which is the usual procedure?<br>>> As far as I recall, no one has suggested Tony has ever been a threat to<br>>> anyone in the space, so I would like to know more about why people are<br>>> insisting that he be banned.<br>> <br>> Tom doesn't have anything apart from the universal do-acratic authority<br>> to ask Tony to leave forever. You can ask people to do anything at<br>> Noisebridge; but if someone asks to leave, they can still come back to<br>> the meeting. My guess is that Tom will be criticised for overreaching,<br>> and then we will move on to a wider WTF with Tony.<br>> <br>> Personally, I feel Tony *should* leave permanently, or at least a long<br>> while. There's basically a bunch of things that count to me as an<br>> existential threat against Noisebridge, and one of them is
messing with<br>> the rest of the building in which we reside. Our landlord is great, but<br>> not infinitely patient. <br>> <br>> The history of asking people to leave Noisebridge is when people do<br>> something that prompts widespread disapproval and then exhibit a<br>> demonstrable inability to self-correct. I've now been witness to several<br>> situations where Tony has done something mildly problematic, been<br>> criticised, and responded with nuclear-force denial. I think he *does*<br>> correct, in the sense that he doesn't do the same thing again, but when<br>> you connect that behaviour with something that was a definite no-no<br>> *and* could have ended much much worse, My patience is<br>> pretty much at end.<br>> <br>> d.<br>> <br>>> I am just trying to find out more about this issue.<br>>> Thanks<br>>> -Carl<br>>> (I cannot currently post to the
discuss list. Feel free to CC your reply<br>>> to the list if you wish to do so.)<br>>> On Jun 29, 2013, at 5:00 AM,<br>>> <a ymailto="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-request@lists.noisebridge.net" href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss-request@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss-request@lists.noisebridge.net</a> wrote:<br>>> <br>>> From: Tom Lowenthal <<a ymailto="mailto:me@tomlowenthal.com" href="mailto:me@tomlowenthal.com">me@tomlowenthal.com</a>><br>>> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Asked to leave: Tony Longshanks &<br>>> Veronica<br>>> Date: June 28, 2013 10:57:44 PM PDT<br>>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>>> <br>>> This evening, I
asked two people to leave Noisebridge.<br>>> <br>>> I asked Tony Longshanks LeTigre to leave and never come back. I did so<br>>> because of the events leading up to him being trapped in the closet<br>>> behind the elevator and breaking out through the drywall. During our<br>>> discussion he affirmatively stated that he was in that space because<br>>> he was storing items there. I told him that this was unacceptable.<br>>> <br>>> I asked Veronica to and not to return unless she wanted to discuss our<br>>> disagreement at a meeting. Our disagreement centered around leaving<br>>> food at Noisebridge, and one's obligations with respect to ensuring<br>>> that everything is cleared up afterwards. Veronica took issue with my<br>>> tone.<br>>>
<br>>> I also had a discussion with Jim, who had brought the food which<br>>> prompted my conversation with Veronica. He asserted that he always<br>>> ensured that food he brings is cleared up. His response to my request<br>>> to clean up was combative, but he left immediately.<br>> <br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<br>>> <a ymailto="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" href="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a><br>>> <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss</a><br>> <br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Noisebridge-discuss mailing list<br><a
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